Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns

[tv1a]

I never said all people who live in trailers are trash. So you can stop being offended.

Not everyone's opinion holds the same weight. The Bible says we are to test the spirits and we are to judge by the fruit.

The webcam prophets usually have the same characteristics. Those who slam faith healers or people who are used in signs, wonders, and miracles couldn't pray for God to stop a runny nose.

Webcam prophets who complain about wealthy christians are jealous. Instead of working harder and making smarter decisions, they just tear others down who made the right decisions.

While you bring up the topic, making a career out of being on welfare is wrong. Paul told the church not to give to lazy people. The church is required to take care of the widows and orphans, period. There are people with legitimate disabilities who need compassion. Even then if a person has the right minset, they can obercome any obstacle. Does Joni Tada Erickson and Stephen Hawking ring a bell?

You pulled scripture out of context. The context in John 16 was a directive to the disciples that the Holy Spirit would fill in the gaps. The narrative around John 16:13 starts in John 16:8 when Jesus says I have a lot more to teach you. You are not ready for it right now. I won't be around to finish, but the Holy Spirit will finish what I started. Notice a pattern? Jesus taught, Holy Spirit filled in the gaps when the disciples were ready. Bible scholars believe this was a directive to the disciples which was fulfilled after the Day of Pentecost. We see evidence by the fact of what we have in the New Testament.

Same in 1 John 2:27. When read in proper context, John already taught the church the truth. Verse 24 shows John already taught them the truth. The truth John speaks about relates to the Diety of Christ. John was fighting the antichrist spirit. John was telling the church the Holy Spirit will reveal the truth about gnosticism. John told the church the Holy Spirit will confirm what was taught by the ministry.

Taking the scriptures cited into proper context, does not suggest the Holy Spirit replaces the five fold ministry, but reinforces what's been taught by the Holy Spirit as to be truth or error.

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

The Holy Ghost can lead us and guide us into all things. No man needs to teach a person 'how to be a saint'.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

And

I John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.









Not all people who live in trailers are on welfare or trashy people. This is offensive. Even many people who are on welfare does not make them trashy.

I know many fine people who are hard working, studious of the Word, give to their church that live in trailers. They live in a trailer maybe because they fell on hard times...maybe because inflation has eaten away at their wages so that a trailer home is what they can comfortably live within their income range.

And yes, if they are a member of a local body, their point of view is just as valid as the family who makes $200,000 a year.

[tv1a]

I don't suggest a dictatorship. I embrace servant leadership. That is how you make disciples. My style of leadership is to serve, teach, lead by example. The role of the ministry is to empower the saints.

A couple of points about the Corinthian church:
Weak and indecisive leadership nearly destroyed the church. How Paul decribed what was happening there pretty much described the inmates running the assylum. Chaotic church services, communion parties, sexual indiscretions. I think those issues were covered in 1 Corinthians.

Not every saint is equal. The Bible says God will reward those according to their works. Christ treated his disciples different than he treated the 5,000.

The problem with saints is many aren't spiritually prepared to handle a crisis. Many boards aren't equipped to handle a spiritual crisis. That is why Paul got involved in the Corinthian nightmare.

I will not comment on the Memphis Mess. I can say I'm not suprised at the tactics used by the organization. I've seen this happen in Ohio for years. It is sad to see the poltical circus take center stage.

Thoughrs a

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Jesus our Messiah also taught this to the Apostles

20 ¶Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.
21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
24 And when the ten heard it, they were moved with indignation against the two brethren.
25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. Matthew 20:28

Jesus said nothing about one person lording over others. Period.
However, no doubt that there are many pastors out there who follow Jesus' teachings concerning this manner, somewhere.



So...are you admitting that some of our earthly churches can be considered an asylum? I know that you are not comparing Christ's church to an insane asylum so it must be the way some of our organized church systems are being run by man?

I Corinthians 6, teaches us that the saints are to judge wrongdoings in the church...not some hierarchy.

1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

Paul says that the saints will judge the world and he says "we shall judge the angels". By saying that, Paul counted himself among the saints...not elevated himself to the level of "leadership" over the saints.

He does not call the least esteemed in the church 'trailer trash'. Those verses affirm that everybody is equal in Christ's church.

Getting back to the topic of this thread, the real problem here is that the pastor went to the council of the unbelievers, to the 'law', if you may, to secure a severance package for himself off the backs of 'tithepayers' after TB defrauded them. That is adding insult to the injury he perpetrated upon them. He should be tucking tail and running. Instead he is demanding that they pay for his debauchery? That is bold and in your face SIN.

Where is the leadership now? Are they defending the 'sheep'? Who is looking after the saint's interest? If they are not stepping in and standing in that gap, then they are wolves in sheep's clothing, allowing a fellow wolf to skin them alive. If they are looking after the saint's interests in that local body, then God Bless them and help them to administer righteous judgment.


However, scripturally, the church is supposed to go to the least esteemed in the church. Let the saint's override the wimpy board and appoint new board members to handle the problem. JMHO and I'm sure it doesn't mean much.

[exTPCMusician]

Now that I've vented sufficiently, I took a much needed one-day break. We visited another UPC and a non-UPC church in the heart of South Memphis. In one case, there was an absence of music, beautiful edifices, etc. ....but there was a pastor with a hunger for righteousness, souls, and the forgotten area of town he pastors. It's time for a real move of God. What TB did does NOT minimize the power of the gospel. The songwriter said it in one of those songs we've forgotten about since we've all become so sophisticated.. ..self included. "I know the Bible is right.. ...somebody's wrong. I done told you once , done told you twice, can't make it to heaven with a sweetheart and a wife". The Bible is right.

There will be changes in the by laws, a realistic vision, a new ministry direction, a new/revised board that dares to open their mouth to say more than "ok". And in the end, Memphis will have revival. But first, the fan club repentance.. ....or purging. Standing! Man let me down. Flesh did what it does. But, Jesus is still God and this message still needs to reach a lost city.. ..the entire city.. ..without regards to race or class.

See yall on the platform. Nice try, devil. .......again.

[Monterrey]

I have a sweetheart and a wife ... what's wrong wid dat.?

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

I have a sweetheart and a wife ... what's wrong wid dat.?

But she's the same lady, isn't she!

[tv1a]

I wish you well.

Originally Posted by TPCmusician

Now that I've vented sufficiently, I took a much needed one-day break. We visited another UPC and a non-UPC church in the heart of South Memphis. In one case, there was an absence of music, beautiful edifices, etc. ....but there was a pastor with a hunger for righteousness, souls, and the forgotten area of town he pastors. It's time for a real move of God. What TB did does NOT minimize the power of the gospel. The songwriter said it in one of those songs we've forgotten about since we've all become so sophisticated.. ..self included. "I know the Bible is right.. ...somebody's wrong. I done told you once , done told you twice, can't make it to heaven with a sweetheart and a wife". The Bible is right.

There will be changes in the by laws, a realistic vision, a new ministry direction, a new/revised board that dares to open their mouth to say more than "ok". And in the end, Memphis will have revival. But first, the fan club repentance.. ....or purging. Standing! Man let me down. Flesh did what it does. But, Jesus is still God and this message still needs to reach a lost city.. ..the entire city.. ..without regards to race or class.

See yall on the platform. Nice try, devil. .......again.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by TPCmusician

Now that I've vented sufficiently, I took a much needed one-day break. We visited another UPC and a non-UPC church in the heart of South Memphis. In one case, there was an absence of music, beautiful edifices, etc. ....but there was a pastor with a hunger for righteousness, souls, and the forgotten area of town he pastors. It's time for a real move of God. What TB did does NOT minimize the power of the gospel. The songwriter said it in one of those songs we've forgotten about since we've all become so sophisticated.. ..self included. "I know the Bible is right.. ...somebody's wrong. I done told you once , done told you twice, can't make it to heaven with a sweetheart and a wife". The Bible is right.

There will be changes in the by laws, a realistic vision, a new ministry direction, a new/revised board that dares to open their mouth to say more than "ok". And in the end, Memphis will have revival. But first, the fan club repentance.. ....or purging. Standing! Man let me down. Flesh did what it does. But, Jesus is still God and this message still needs to reach a lost city.. ..the entire city.. ..without regards to race or class.

See yall on the platform. Nice try, devil. .......again.

Reading your posts, you are one of the members that is able to separate loyalty to God and loyalty to a man. We all want to believe the best of leaders that we have grown to love and admire. Our first response is to defend the perception that was our reality. I believe that with time, more and more members will realize that their perception of TB is flawed, and eventually come to grips with reality. The church will move on, but probably with a smaller number of people.

[Ferd]

I have lived in housetrailers twice. Once was even in a trailer park.

I embrace my trailerpark past!

you people are silly.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Falla39

But she's the same lady, isn't she!

I'm trying to figure out how she got stuck with him!!! Poor woman...

[houston]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I have lived in housetrailers twice. Once was even in a trailer park.

I embrace my trailerpark past!

you people are silly.

What?