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04-17-2007, 02:41 PM
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Strange in a Strange Land...
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Originally Posted by OGIA
No. I was using that as a reference to my infantile comprehension ability when compared to yours.  |
Oh ok, thats cool then...
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Let me ask you something: do you think God accepts the worship of one who worships Him as Allah or Adonai or Vishnu or Brahma?
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I did not know Bill Clinton was here today. The Muslims I know call the God of the Bible, Allah, I am not to sure of that. I can tell you I know stories where people call on the name of Allah and nothing happeneds, but when they call on Jesus, something happeneds. As for Adonai, yes God will take that worship. The other names are pagan gods, yes?
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You might wanna come walk in my shoes for a while before you start making judgment calls.
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That was my opinion.
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If you say so.
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Jesus is the way, truth, and the life....did he die for Himself? No He died for the lost to find truth. He did not die for truth.
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04-17-2007, 05:50 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK
The Muslims I know call the God of the Bible, Allah, I am not to sure of that. I can tell you I know stories where people call on the name of Allah and nothing happeneds, but when they call on Jesus, something happeneds.
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When a trinitarian worships God for less than Who He has revealed Himself to be, do you think God accepts that worship? Remember John 4:24.
Well, it was riddled with judgment.
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Jesus is the way, truth, and the life....did he die for Himself? No He died for the lost to find truth. He did not die for truth.
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Truth is not just a Person. It is a teaching, a system of beliefs, etc. No, Jesus Christ didn't die for Himself, but you are just being coy about the statement.
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- And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. [Zechariah 14:9]
- Ignorance of the Identity of the One True God is not a valid reason to practice idolatry.
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04-17-2007, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by sola gratia
This is absolute TRASH! Nothing more.
You have no biblical sense if this is what you think. If your ever man enough to biblically debate the issue let me know Epley. So far it’s a lot of grandstanding and typical trash rhetoric! You should be ashamed, but you won't. You're decieved into thinking you're being strong to the faith...you're sadly dissallusioned
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As a former oneness adherent I understand where pastor Epley is coming from. I agree just as strongly in the opposite.
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04-17-2007, 06:27 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Originally Posted by sola gratia
This is absolute TRASH! Nothing more.
You have no biblical sense if this is what you think. If your ever man enough to biblically debate the issue let me know Epley. So far it’s a lot of grandstanding and typical trash rhetoric! You should be ashamed, but you won't. You're decieved into thinking you're being strong to the faith...you're sadly dissallusioned
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What exactly is your position that you want to publically debate? Trinity vs Oneness? What? State a positive affirmation
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04-17-2007, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by sola gratia
This is absolute TRASH! Nothing more.
You have no biblical sense if this is what you think. If your ever man enough to biblically debate the issue let me know Epley. So far it’s a lot of grandstanding and typical trash rhetoric! You should be ashamed, but you won't. You're decieved into thinking you're being strong to the faith...you're sadly dissallusioned
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Then YOU post a proposition and we will debate it. The ball is in your court.
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04-17-2007, 10:26 PM
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Holy Unto The Lord
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Originally Posted by sola gratia
This is absolute TRASH! Nothing more.
You have no biblical sense if this is what you think. If your ever man enough to biblically debate the issue let me know Epley. So far it’s a lot of grandstanding and typical trash rhetoric! You should be ashamed, but you won't. You're decieved into thinking you're being strong to the faith...you're sadly dissallusioned
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No. What is trash is the notion that my Jesus is part of a pagan trinity. The notion that Jesus is not the Father is truly trash, and damnable trash at that. Bro. Epley spoke the truth, and you had better heed.
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04-17-2007, 11:08 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK
Great post! Thank you very much!
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04-17-2007, 11:22 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by OGIA
I thought I ought to address to specific points in your post I said I'd address in my last one:
I am not comparing trinitarians with Muslims in the manner you are accusing me of. I'm comparing their beliefs, specifically how each one believes differently about God than I do.
Who defines who God (Jesus Christ) is, crakjak?
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You did seem to lump them together in an earlier post, my point was that they do believe in Jesus of the Scriptures, as you do, so though they define God in a different manner does not make Him another God. You both know Him from the same scriptures.
I do not believe any of us can define God completely, because as scripture says "...we see thru a glass darkly..." So I don't believe it is reasonable to treat those who have believed on the Name of Jesus as unbelievers. We can have different views and still fellowship and love one another and as opportunity avails discuss the scriptures, and believe that "...He the Spirit of truth will lead and guide us all into all truth." And I am perfectly content to love them, fellowship with them, and let God open doors as He sees fit.
It does not damage my faith to fellowship with those who call on the Name of the Lord, and whose heart is very obviously turned toward Him.
I PERSONALLY HATE THE OLD RELIGIOUS COLD SHOULDER. I have a great number of good friends that we can discuss openly our different views and guess what the Lord has allowed me to teach them some things and vice versa.
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04-17-2007, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Then YOU post a proposition and we will debate it. The ball is in your court.
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very well Brother - I'll post a proposition and we can begin.... I'll PM you once I have done so
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04-17-2007, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Price
No. What is trash is the notion that my Jesus is part of a pagan trinity. The notion that Jesus is not the Father is truly trash, and damnable trash at that. Bro. Epley spoke the truth, and you had better heed.
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Bro Price you dont know anything, and I dont mean that to be harsh, its just a reality. You need some bible study, and some solid discipleship, it is not likely that I will waste a whole lot of time with you. You dont know anything about the trinitarian doctrine, and honestly you dont know anything about the oneness doctrine either
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