Resolution 3 Massacre Begins in South Texas Dist.

[SDG]

Can KP have been placed under question by the South Texas District ... did he hold license in TX at one time??? ... there was no South Texas District back then ????

Anyone no the answer to this ???

[Sam]

you reckon this is a good Bible description of the brethren getting together and discussing who all to put on the "questionable list"?

16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Proverbs 6:16-19 KJV

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

So, three men?

Three?

How does this equate to a massacre?

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Then do you agree with Daniel's use of massacre in this thread title since only three preacher's reputations are called into question.

A massacre does not have to be a mass killing. Webster's Dictionary online defines it this way:

1 : the act or an instance of killing a number of usually helpless or unresisting human beings under circumstances of atrocity or cruelty
2 : a cruel or wanton murder
3 : a wholesale slaughter of animals
4 : an act of complete destruction

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/massacre

So yes, the killing of even "just" three can still be considered a massacre.

[bishoph]

When this resolution passed I. along with several others here predicted that res 3 may be of greater consequence than res4. I believe that the verbiage ?massacre" may not be severe enough to describe what may be the end results.

This resolution was fought by the cons, (I know some who went to conference specifically to fight this res.) Because according to them this had been introduced by organizational men who intended to use it against those that may leave if TV passed.

I personally know of several pastors & evangelists who have been placed "under question" and letters have been sent by their former district boards advising other districts/pastors not to preach or fellowship these men.

IMO this action is a testing of the waters with men who may have expressed doctrinal differences with the organization; but I believe you will indeed see a blood-bath when districts begin to use this a an intimidation tool against those that have left (for whatever reason) or are thinking of leaving.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Those men chose to leave the UPC, and while I disagree with the tactic employed here, I hardly think they are concerned with this. Why should they be? They left the UPC. Why would they care what the UPC thinks about them?

That's not the issue.
If a UPC pastor is threatened with the loss of his license for inviting these guys to preach, that is doing a disservice to the pastor, the would-be invitee/preacher, and the church that would have been blessed by that visiting preacher's ministry.

They're unfairly infringing on the man's ministry, and also the pastor's autonomy to decide who he wants to invite into his pulpit. And it simply does a disservice to the body of Christ in general. Somehow, I cant imagine that God is pleased with this sort of thing. This is church politics at its worst.

[James Griffin]

Interesting thread.

I held license with the UPCI 25 years ago.

Wonder if I can come under question if I fellowship my former pastor???

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by PastorA

A UPC Pastor from San Diego who preached for Kenneth Phillips.

Maybe I have the first name wrong, but the last name is correct.

He was the first pastor I sat under when my family got into the church. He immediately followed Nathaniel Urshan in Indianapolis before he went to San Diego.

[FRINGE_NUTTER]

Quote from Brother Price:
[QUOTE]Originally Posted by Brother Price View Post
I thought that the Church was the Church of all who are born again, not just who the UPCI says it is[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by FRINGE_NUTTER

I believe this is the way God sees it. Unfortunately, I don't believe it is the way the UPCI sees it. God sees the Blood. The UPCI sees "The Card"...Pure and simple.

*****BUMP*****

Is there not one AMEN in the house? Some of you may not agree with this but I would think many of you know it is true.

[CC1]

If it is true DB is doing this to KP I am very surprised. To the best of my knowledge there has been a cordial co-existance through the years since DB started his church in Austin.

DB had the good taste not to place his church right down the road from KP's church and also not to publicly let it be known he was there to save people from KP's church like Keith Clark did when he started his church in Austin.

I am interested in seeing how Rex Johnson reacts to this. I believe he will be very disappointed and opposed these actions.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by CC1

If it is true DB is doing this to KP I am very surprised. To the best of my knowledge there has been a cordial co-existance through the years since DB started his church in Austin.

DB had the good taste not to place his church right down the road from KP's church and also not to publicly let it be known he was there to save people from KP's church like Keith Clark did when he started his church in Austin.

I am interested in seeing how Rex Johnson reacts to this. I believe he will be very disappointed and opposed these actions.

Similarly, WH did not go out under question when he left 18 months ago, why now?