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06-16-2008, 04:32 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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Barbie, do you have something to contribute here?
Are you a licensed minister with the UPC?
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No, I'm not. Are you??? If you are you should be ashamed of yourself for causing more division in the organization to which you have CHOSEN to be a part of. Unity is what is going to get the job done of winning the lost, not disunity.
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06-16-2008, 04:33 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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Pianoman you obviously see these losses as a necessary purging ???...
PP sees these losses as significant in their overall impact ...
Let us not forget he has a stake in the org ... you and I don't.
I can't envision losing established churches with dynamic leaders and rich heritage of saints ....
losing over 10% of your churches in a district and having a having a net loss of churches in over a 30 month period as something to celebrate, minimize or propagandize.
Unless one's goal is mediocrity.
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Thank you.
You said it much better than I could have.
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So what would you prefer? Wringing of hands, wailing and gnashing of teeth? I don't know what the point of printing it was either, except, contrary to previous accounts of the WD going belly up, it is coming along just fine.
Should there be depression over that? While I don't view the losses as a purging, these were for the most part churches who have done their own things for quite a while. Their leaving really hasn't made a huge difference. I don't hate them, wish them harm or anything else, I'm just not depressed about it. As you have no stake in the WD, I cannot see how you are affected by it.
I am still waiting on your references for the lies that have been told regarding the state of the WD.
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06-16-2008, 04:34 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
You go girl, Give em the ole 1, 2. lol
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06-16-2008, 04:34 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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No, I'm not. Are you??? If you are you should be ashamed of yourself for causing more division in the organization to which you have CHOSEN to be a part of. Unity is what is going to get the job done of winning the lost, not disunity.
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Can you demonstrate how PP is showing disunity?
When WD minister is the one who posted the churches who are leaving the organization?
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06-16-2008, 04:36 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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No, I'm not. Are you??? If you are you should be ashamed of yourself for causing more division in the organization to which you have CHOSEN to be a part of. Unity is what is going to get the job done of winning the lost, not disunity.
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You are promoting uniformity .... not unity ....
Uniformity does not allow divergent view ... unity allows for discourse.
Any successful organization ... in the public and private sectors allows it's members to contribute.
Are you suggesting that one should accept mediocrity and failure? Does holding the fort and keeping appearances mean more than reform and improvements?
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06-16-2008, 04:37 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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So what would you prefer? Wringing of hands, wailing and gnashing of teeth? I don't know what the point of printing it was either, except, contrary to previous accounts of the WD going belly up, it is coming along just fine.
Should there be depression over that? While I don't view the losses as a purging, these were for the most part churches who have done their own things for quite a while. Their leaving really hasn't made a huge difference. I don't hate them, wish them harm or anything else, I'm just not depressed about it. As you have no stake in the WD, I cannot see how you are affected by it.
I am still waiting on your references for the lies that have been told regarding the state of the WD.
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The angst is palpable. 
First of all, I haven't used the word "lie" so please retract your last sentence. The spin I referred to earlier was from a much more powerful source than the WD.
Secondly, I just think it's sad that we lose 17 churches and people rejoice over it.
BTW, I think the choice to leave was good for those who left, and for the UPC. But you haven't read all 7000 of my posts, so you wouldn't know that.
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06-16-2008, 04:37 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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Can you demonstrate how PP is showing disunity?
When WD minister is the one who posted the churches who are leaving the organization?
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He is celebrating the fact that others have left and minimizing their roles in the org, IMHO.
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06-16-2008, 04:38 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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You go girl, Give em the ole 1, 2. lol
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Shoo fly.
The rest of us are trying to have a discussion. 
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06-16-2008, 04:42 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
Dee ... are you suggesting that minister in New York has no stake in the overall health of his own ministerial fellowship that he pays dues to ... contributes offerings to and spends time and energy into ?
How could you say ... why should he care about the WD?
It's one of the largest districts in the org. It's a pretty good barometer for what's happening in other areas too ... is it not?
As aa minister and church one gives money to fund church plants in other states and countries .... correct?
The WD has been a hotbed of controversy that has affected the org overall ...see last few General Conferences and founding members of the WPF.
Didn't Paul suggest if one part of the body hurts the whole does?
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06-16-2008, 04:47 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Dee ... are you suggesting that minister in New York has no stake in the overall health of his own ministerial fellowship that he pays dues to ... contributes offerings to and spends time and energy into ?
How could you say ... why should he care about the WD?
It's one of the largest districts in the org. It's a pretty good barometer for what's happening in other areas too ... is it not?
As minister and church one gives money to fund church plants in other states and countries .... correct?
The WD has been a hotbed of controversy that has affected the org overall ...see last few General Conferences and founding members of the WPF.
Didn't Paul suggest if one part of the body hurts the whole does?
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How many churches were there in Caleefornyuh before the minor fracture, Daniel?
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