District Puts WPF on Notice

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Thank you, Michael. Somehow I knew you could put it in the best words. All of what you said is very good, the highlighted is the best.

Oh, and I corrected your spelling of "believe", just 'cause it's fun to catch you making a typo.

Lol, that's just to illustrate my fallability and identify with the little people!

Just kidding, lol.

It's no secret on this forum that I am of a more liberal mindset, but as I've stated many times, I have no horror stories of the UPC, I have no bad experiences directly related to the UPC.

There are many good, honest, and godly people who are living by standards that I personally do not live by, but I do not question their motives.

And, there are many who have left the standards that I believe are good, honest and godly people, as well.

As I said, in ANY group you have good apples and bad apples, and in my experience the ratios are no different between the groups.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Lol, that's just to illustrate my fallability and identify with the little people!

Just kidding, lol.

It's no secret on this forum that I am of a more liberal mindset, but as I've stated many times, I have no horror stories of the UPC, I have no bad experiences directly related to the UPC.

There are many good, honest, and godly people who are living by standards that I personally do not live by, but I do not question their motives.

And, there are many who have left the standards that I believe are good, honest and godly people, as well.

As I said, in ANY group you have good apples and bad apples, and in my experience the ratios are no different between the groups.

Well, you know I have to keep you humble. I know it's hard for you. lol

Your last line is exactly right! Amen!

Have a good week-end. I'm out!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Rico

CC1, you wanna know what your problem is? You actually think that you can insult people's beliefs, belittle their convictions, and still stay friends with them.

Woof!

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

CCUno,
I'm speaking to you as a man and not Admin in this post.


Okay, you didn't get it.


That is not what I was saying.


I am not trying to run you off. (lol) I haven't been offended. I just was more angry than anything. (lol)


I respect you, CC1. I love you like I do everyone else I've been posting with for so long. How could I not love you? Let me count the ways...... (lol)

YES, things have been eating my craw since the first time you talked about the stringy haired women on AFF. I would forgive you and then you would do it again and I had to start all over again. (lol)

What I would do is picture walking into Southside and eating sausage (you) and pork steaks (me) and then I thought - I could like him, I'm sure. (lol)

Integrity goes a lot deeper, IMO, than posting words of your opinion. I can't say that I questioned your integrity, just your choice of words. It's like you weren't really thinking that there are some women that don't want to cut their hair, dye their hair, could care less about jewelry and don't like to wear pants, so some of the standards are a non-issue.

Some of us have been there, done that, bought the t-shirt and threw it away. There are some of us that those things DO NOT work for us anymore. We don't like feeling pressured to pick those things up again. Things that felt like chains of acceptance to the world around our neck. You may not understand that. I've lived on both sides of the fence for the same amount of time in my life. I don't want the side I came from.

When I see our women praying, crying and seeking God with all their hearts - you make me angry when you call them - stringy haired women.
I don't have words enough to convey how I feel. It's too large. Now, I will agree with you that stupid things have been said and stupid things have been enforced, but I've seen stupid things in other denominations.

When I left the Catholic Church I attended the Baptist Church. The singles program just needed some liquor and then we would be in a bar. They got together played Elvis and other secular music. Me coming from a bar found that a little strange. I thought you left such music behind. Music that effected you in certain ways. Perhaps it was just me and something God didn't want for me. There are things I can't do or I will go backward. I could elaborate on that, but I won't. A dog returning to it's vomit.




CC1, you are a great person. For the most part I like you. I'm just saying it isn't right of anyone to rag the appearance of the women. You mentioned once that they had no natural beauty and needed some enhancement. How is that your right, as a man, to pressure women in that way? We have enough pressure without men making us feel that we can't be accepted unless we do some "work".

It's like running through a chorus line to see who is accepted. How does that make a woman feel? I say find who pleases you and leave the others alone. God will find someone to love each and every women. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

If God led me to this organization when I cried out that I needed Him, why are you asking me to leave? I can't leave. I have to follow Him wherever He goes and wherever He takes me. He hasn't opened another door in 22 years, I kinda took that as a hint.

Don't think I haven't gone through a time of testing. I certainly have, but I looked around and met people who didn't have anything better to offer me. I looked around and didn't see another path that was stronger and so I decided to stay where I was. I think that's how many in the UPC view things. If you have something better, give it to me. Many don't see it in their locality, IMO.

I do see some mistakes. One would be Deut 22:5, which has nothing to do with pants. "wear" in that passage is a very strong definition and has been overlooked as a basic meaning. It is not basic and is never used again in the entire OT. I attribute that to not sufficient study.

When I was a new convert the Lord showed me strongly how important it was that I would study on my own. The first thing he showed me was "touch not thine anointed". He showed me that it meant every saint of God.

Like the Catholic Church I have seen the same teaching - follow the leader and don't question. I've me pastor's wives who would say, "Well, I don't know, you'll have to ask my husband." I was astonished by that. I have seen some things changing and I attribute that to God building His church. He isn't going to leave a hungry heart in the dark.

Anyway, again, I think you are a great person, with great wit, good stories. I've just been angry at you from time to time as an Apostolic woman. I usually forgive you, though.

Does any of this make any sense to you?

Pressing,

Thank you for this post. I understand better where you are coming from but I must say that you have changed, in your mind, what I have said and made it far worse. You posted things I have talked about in the past as absolutes in your post I am quoting above. Like I have said ALL Pentecostal women are ugly and need makeup. We both know that is absolutely not how I have stated things. I have said that the majority of women are not blessed with naturally clear complexions, lips with color, etc and that makup applied properly enhances their appearance (and also furthers the seperation of the sexas by the way - something OP's are supposed to be for).

I have no doubt that there are some stringy haried Pentecostal women that are some of the sweetest women on the planet and godly women as well. That does not mean they don't have stringy hair that does not look good when I see it at Wal Mart. Sorry. That is just a fact. If I post that I see no glory for God in that it is what I believe. It doesn't make these women less godly, less sweet, etc. I have friends and relatives who look like that and I love them dearly.

In your frustration with me you have also personaized my discussions to the point you apparently believe I am trying to personally persuade each and every old time Pentecostal woman to change her standards.

I don't go around "witnessing" to Pentecostal women that they should change in my every day life. This is a DISCUSSION FORUM and this is where I discuss these things.

I have been around hundreds of Pentecostal folks, at least half of them women, and NEVER said one word to them about their hair, dress, or any other standards they choose to keep.

Apparently when you read what I believe is the truth about these subjects you extend that to picture me with some sort of personal vendetta to change all Pentecostal women I come in contact with. Just not true.

Do I hope some people who have come to the same conclusions I have about what the biblical truth and principles are regarding these things read my posts and find inspirtation in them? Of course! Just as I am sure every conservative contending for bundage does.

Don't make it personal!!!!

I am pleased that you still love me because you are one of my favorite posters and the fact that you are so angry with me has distressed me greatly. I can't apologize for what I have posted and written because I meant every word of it but I am sorry that it has made you think less of me and that you think I am not representing my positons well.

I apologize for the rambling nature of this post but it has been a very long day. Maybe I can come back later when I am refreshed with some of the good brisket my wife is cooking and edit it so that it makes sense!

God Bless You Pressing On

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Felicity

CC1......

I haven't been posting for a while but I came out of "reader" mode to encourage you a bit for what it's worth so here goes:

• Admins have always enjoyed the privilege of stating their opinions on whatever topic came up for discussion. There's no rule against that far as I know. MOW, for example who is also an admin, would be considered "liberal" on the lib to con scale but he posts and expresses his viewpoints which certainly don't fit with the conservative viewpoint.
  
  
• Here's one who hasn't turned on you. I always felt you'd be a good admin. Still feel that way regardless of the fact we wouldn't agree on everything, but it's hard to find 2 people who do. In fact I've always felt you'd make a great ambassador. LOL.
  
  
• You've been consistent in your views and opinions and have shared them consistently since the beginning of the time I've been posting with you on FCF. You've not changed at all.
  
  
• Consistently Consistent One <-----> CC1. See?
  
  
• If you make a decision whether or not to admin a forum based on whether someone disagrees with you or not you won't last long so don't take it all too much to heart, bro.

Felicity,

Thank you. It doesn't bother me when Newbies like Scotty get their...er....undies all twisted up at my posts but it is a whole other story when it is a long time fellow poster who has been around a long time, long enough to have seen the totality of my posting.

I know some things I post upset traditional old time Pentecostals greatly but I have tried to be emphatic without impuning people. Apparently that is impossible as some people take general observations very personally when they are not intended that way.

[rgcraig]

I believe PO has misunderstood your sense of humor at times too.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I believe PO has misunderstood your sense of humor at times too.

Yup. I have to believe so. Still surprises me though as long as we have been posting together on AFF and it's predecessor's.

She is one of my favorites though that I look for when I login.

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I believe PO has misunderstood your sense of humor at times too.

This could be the whole problem.

CC1's humor reminds me so much of Jim Yohe's. Sometimes I could strangle him, but I always end up laughing. lol

And I still think you will be a fair admin, CC1.

[CC1]

Thank you Sarah.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by CC1

Last time I checked it didn't cost any money for UPC and the like to teach "Apostolic Identity".

Most preachers preach and teach the clothesline legalism with great gusto each and every time they take the pulpit (well almost).

Even those that don't preach / teach the clothesline adnaseum allude to it in just about every sermon to reinforce the times they do preach / teach on it.

CC1, this post again demonstrates how long you have been gone... I would say there are very very few who would harp on such every sermon.