BRO HAYMON!!! Colorado Security Guard' Connection/Apostolic Background!!!

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by pelathais

And as to whether or not the pastor in question is "boastful," I don't know. But you can ask his limo chauffeur.

The website speaks for itself, leave it that.

This is a moronic parting shot to demonstrate...what?

This makes you a liar my friend.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

If you read this statement and Gordon Poe's name was attached to it, would it still be a statement you would back up?

It is not the author that is neing criticied it is the content.

You know it is difficult to say. I am not a fan of Gordon Poe, everyone knows that.

That being said, I am not sure ANY self respecting minister would make an attempt to exploit this situation to their own benefit.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

This is a moronic parting shot to demonstrate...what?

This makes you a liar my friend.

This shows that you don't even the guy, Carp. You want pictures? I had lunch with him at an inexpensive cafeteria near CAC. He and his wife arrived in a chauffeured limo, pulled up right to the front door and were escorted from the limo to the line inside of Furr's on South Monaco Street with all off the pomp and circumstance of a state dinner at the White House.

Originally Posted by Carpenter

That being said, I am not sure ANY self respecting minister would make an attempt to exploit this situation to their own benefit.

Heh. I guess we are both in agreement here! There are some important clues here as to why our churches don't grow.

[anapko]

Originally Posted by pelathais

This shows that you don't even the guy, Carp. You want pictures? I had lunch with him at an inexpensive cafeteria near CAC. He and his wife arrived in a chauffeured limo, pulled up right to the front door and were escorted from the limo to the line inside of Furr's on South Monaco Street with all off the pomp and circumstance of a state dinner at the White House.



Heh. I guess we are both in agreement here! There are some important clues here as to why our churches don't grow.

Possibly due to the fact that there's too many chaffeured driven limos in the church. I heard from a relative of his that he and his family live in a 3/4 of a million house.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by anapko

Possibly due to the fact that there's too many chaffeured driven limos in the church. I heard from a relative of his that he and his family live in a 3/4 of a million house.

I haven't priced his house, but more power to him. He was dealt with unfairly years and years ago before there even was a CO Dist. by some within "the mothership" and I thought he handled that with a lot of class. I'm just a little confused by those who preach modesty and then flaunt and parade their wealth.

Holiness people are to be modest. And then the "Hey! me too!" thing in the aftermath of the horrible tragedy that our community has suffered... like I said, there are reasons our churches are not growing.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

Jekyll....why don't you just call me by name in your post? First, I do not know anything about Colorado politics, other than I have a relative who pastors there. Haymon's obvious close relationship with the UPC (having UPCers in his pulpit and conferences regularly) made me think he was. I guess I could have looked in the manual to see if he was a member in good standing...but anyway, that is not the issue.

Listen, whether this was written by Haymon, Paula White, Kenneth Haney, Gordon Poe, Lee Stoneking, Sam Emory, Nate Wilson, Juanita Bynum, Steve Munsey, Larry Booker, Paul Mooney, Paul Morton, Anthony Mangun, etc.....I would say the same thing...not about the person, but about the article itself. Your opinion of the article and my opinion are at opposite ends, obviously. That is okay. But the implication that I am an ignoramus and malcontent and the first to throw a stone...you know nothing about me.

If you want to take ownership of the direction of my post, go ahead. There were others that made posts in the same uninformed vein.

This cop-out of attacking the article not the author is quite rich. Use this same logic in Luke pointing out that Judas committed suicide. Your position would question the motivation of including such a gruesome event in the Bible without taking account of the author of the book. The written word is a reflection of the man as much if not more than his spoken word.

Also, your response makes it look like you made a knee-jerk reaction to information you don't check out. This has happened before and I hope you don't make a regular practice of posting like this. Just a little FYI.

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

If you want to take ownership of the direction of my post, go ahead. There were others that made posts in the same uninformed vein.

This cop-out of attacking the article not the author is quite rich. Use this same logic in Luke pointing out that Judas committed suicide. Your position would question the motivation of including such a gruesome event in the Bible without taking account of the author of the book. The written word is a reflection of the man as much if not more than his spoken word.

Also, your response makes it look like you made a knee-jerk reaction to information you don't check out. This has happened before and I hope you don't make a regular practice of posting like this. Just a little FYI.

Whether Haymon is UPC or not is not the point or issue of this thread.

And, as consistent as I have been on this thread...I don't care who wrote the article, my opinion is the same. If it was my own pastor who wrote the article/statement, I would be disagreeing with the wording as well. That is my opinion...an opinion that is obviously different from yours. I guess we take an agree to disagree on this issue.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

Whether Haymon is UPC or not is not the point or issue of this thread.

And, as consistent as I have been on this thread...I don't care who wrote the article, my opinion is the same. If it was my own pastor who wrote the article/statement, I would be disagreeing with the wording as well. That is my opinion...an opinion that is obviously different from yours. I guess we take an agree to disagree on this issue.

And what exactly is my opinion of this article?? At this point, the vehicle of discussion is misfiring on two cylinders so whatever I say about the article will be for naught. You already think you have me pegged, which is ANOTHER uneducated guess. Quit while you're not so far behind the 8 ball.

[He's My Friend]

[QUOTE=pelathais;32644.................

I had lunch with him at an inexpensive cafeteria near CAC. [U]He and his wife arrived in a chauffeured limo, pulled up right to the front door and were escorted from the limo[/U] to the line inside of Furr's on South Monaco Street with all off the pomp and circumstance of a state dinner at the White House.



The limo caught my attention...........

A man in my hometown purchased a limo, (just because he could) and he has the limo driver on staff.

The owner does not ride around in the limo, he actually offers "rides" to folks.

So.....you may be out shopping at the local WalMart, and a long white limo pulls up, and out comes an elderly man in bib overalls.

Usually the elderly make use of this "gift", such as rides to the pharmacy, or to the doc's office.




Sorry off of the "Haymon " topic , but the limo did it for me.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

And what exactly is my opinion of this article?? At this point, the vehicle of discussion is misfiring on two cylinders so whatever I say about the article will be for naught. You already think you have me pegged, which is ANOTHER uneducated guess. Quit while you're not so far behind the 8 ball.

Jekyll! You are the master!


I think you're wrong; but you do it so well. Congrats!

Originally Posted by He's My Friend

Maybe....

The limo caught my attention...........

A man in my hometown purchased a limo, (just because he could) and he has the limo driver on staff.

The owner does not ride around in the limo, he actually offers "rides" to folks.

So.....you may be out shopping at the local WalMart, and a long white limo pulls up, and out comes an elderly man in bib overalls.

Usually the elderly make use of this "gift", like rides to the pharmacy, or to the doc's office.




Sorry off topic of the Haymons, but the limo did it for me.

No, right on topic, IMHO. And you do add some fodder to the trough. But this was one of those "You had to be there" moments.

Again, the web site under discussion does say so much about why the Apostolic movement isn't growing. I believe that our message could be a great benefit to a lot of people (not just eternal benefit, either) and that there are millions of people who would readily accept the Apostle's doctrine. However, we've got so much baggage that we're carrying around that all anybody sees when they look at us is the baggage.