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[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Sandra

This is so exciting to me all these people leaving the UPC, it has been divided for years.

Ugghhhh. I always find comments like this to be very disturbing.

Do you dislike the UPC that much? Why would anyone find it exciting to see people leaving a denomination?

Even if I disagree with some things in any particular Apostolic denomination, I don't think I'd be "excited" to see them being fractured. Splits in a church, a district, or a denomination are very painful to a lot of people involved.

[Brother Price]

Split in a denomination is not the same as a split in a local assembly. One will only cause some churches not to carry a particular named organization on their back. Split in a church will cause souls to go down the tubes.

No way can anyone compare the UPCI split with a church split. It is not that big of a deal.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Split in a denomination is not the same as a split in a local assembly. One will only cause some churches not to carry a particular named organization on their back. Split in a church will cause souls to go down the tubes.

No way can anyone compare the UPCI split with a church split. It is not that big of a deal.

Yes, I understand they're not the same thing...but I think you're missing the point here.

Why should someone on an apostolic forum feel that a split in an Apostolic denomination is "exciting"? Thats my whole point.

Something about that just seems a bit unseemly to me.
You may feel otherwise, but thats' just my take on it.

Originally Posted by Brother Price

One will only cause some churches not to carry a particular named organization on their back.

A gross oversimplification.

First of all, most splits are not simply because a church doesn't feel like "carrying a denomination on their back". It is usually caused by differences on certain doctrines or issues that makes them decide to leave. Sometimes the whole church is in agreement with the departure, and sometimes they are not. Disagreement over the departure may well cause division within the local church itself, and sometimes leads to a split within that local assembly. I have seen that happen, and I saw how tough it was for many of those involved.

This just goes back to my whole issue about anyone being excited about UPC splits (or any other denomination for that matter). Even the pastors who have to make the decision, usually view it with gravity and soberness, knowing that it can be a tough moment for some of their members to deal with, especially if theres a significant number of the members who disagree with it. I'd say most of these pastors don't view the decision with excitement, even if they're convinced its the right thing to do.

Originally Posted by Brother Price

It is not that big of a deal.

It might not be that big of a deal to you... so its easy for you to dismiss it. But I've seen first-hand how denominational splits can be very tough for individuals in the churches directly affected by it. In many cases, it is a big deal to them.

[Brother Price]

Well, what identifies them? If an organization identifies a local church, then that church and pastor are not what they should be. If the splitting of an organization is that detrimental to a church, then their focus was way in the wrong arena.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Well, what identifies them? If an organization identifies a local church, then that church and pastor are not what they should be. If the splitting of an organization is that detrimental to a church, then their focus was way in the wrong arena.

Oh, good grief.
You're still totally missing the point here, Bill.

This is a multi-faceted issue that you're approaching in very simplistic terms.

But anyway...never mind.
Have a good day, sir.

[Sister Alvear]

maybe Sanda did not mean excited like it sounded?

[tv1a]

It is a simple issue. The preachers who left the organization left over non biblical issues. They left because a sacred cow they worshiped was slaughtered. How many times have we heard the statement if the upci loses it's dress code and it's television stance, we will lose our identity. If that isn't an example of idolatry, I don't know what is. May was well put an Asheroth pole near the pulpit.

The problem with the upci is the main things are not the main things. Dress codes are more important than the gifts of the Spirit. Generally the organization produces more nuts than fruit. We have the audacity to ridicule a gimmicky television preacher when our gimmick is a skirt and until recently television.

The charismatics are pouring millions into missions, millions into social programs which help the needy, our organizaton has the field of dreams mentality if we build it they will come. The charismatics are getting the blessings and the massive outpouring of the Spirit while this organization gets a little trickle. If it were not for foriegn missions, our spirit filled baptisms would be anemic compared to other denominations.

I am glad to see the legalist wing dissipate. Maybe they can round up in a compound in Waco. I hear there is one that hasn't been used in 15 years.

[Boh]

i think that LB is a very great man. if he doesnt want to be with upc then he doesnt have to. if he doesnt want tv then i think that is the right decision. i think the upc is going on a road to destruction. my church use to be upc. im glad my pastor went for what is right. i dont think that any real apostolic preacher has affected anyone in a negative way.

[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by Boh

i think that LB is a very great man. if he doesnt want to be with upc then he doesnt have to. if he doesnt want tv then i think that is the right decision. i think the upc is going on a road to destruction. my church use to be upc. im glad my pastor went for what is right. i dont think that any real apostolic preacher has affected anyone in a negative way.

I don't attend a UPC church either. But I would not imply that because NOW THAT MY CHURCH IS OUT OF IT -- that it is heading for destruction.

[Thinking]

Strange thing. Some of the men who have gone with the WPF are now inviting UPC ministers and saints to their functions--in particular a southern California youth conference. Wonder why.