Are the Godairs leaving?

[HangingOut]

Is there any real proof in this.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Calling folks up ... asking them to leave when you haven't ... while acting secretive and asking the recruitee not to tell his leadership .... IS UNETHICAL ... AND IT'S HAPPENING.

[embonpoint]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

AM was stating a position he held on a forthcoming legal resolution ... everyone had the opportunity and right to state their view on their own platforms...

Seems the UC's even wrote a book prior to GC expressing their views ... mailed it out to the entire fellowship as was their right....

It's amazing that the rule of law crowd has such bitterness and disdain for the legality of the resolution process and the freedoms to express divergent views.

Originally Posted by embonpoint

Sorry, I know that I am a little slow but I like to stick to one subject at a time.

The issue we were discussing was not the right of anyone to express their opinion on their own platform, but the use of the UPCI directory as a mailing list to invite others to hear their opinion. I believe AM had every right to express his opinion. I just don't think he is the only one.

I believe that just as AM had a right to invite UPCI ministers to a meeting and express his opinion on the TV issue the organizers of the Tulsa meeting have a right to invite ministers to discuss events affecting the kingdom of God. I believe they are paying the rent on the building, so this would make it "their own platform."

It does not appear from here that it is the "rule of law" folks that are trying to squelch free expression of divergent views.

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[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by HangingOut

Is there any real proof in this.

it is most certainly true.
i know someone (very close to me) that has gotten a call .

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by embonpoint

While some of your points are well taken,I find you analogy comparing ministers of an organization to employees a little skewed. A better comparison by be to the shareholders who invest their resources and elect there own leaders. They may and do solicit other shareholders to invest in other ventures.

If you have an example of a lawsuit where investors were sued successfully for tortious interference because they recruited current share holders to invest in another venture I would be most interested in reading the suit. There is no law against holding shares in ATT and Verizon for example.

Investors have not taken a pledge of loyalty to a company, employees have an implied fiduciary duty recognized by law.

And as I said it was merely a loose analogy.

What is being done by some is conduct which is unethical, devoid of honor and decency to commit while still members of the UPCI. Once officially withdrawn it would not be.

[embonpoint]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

it is most certainly true.
i know someone (very close to me) that has gotten a call .

A call from one of the organizers of the Tulsa meeting?
The call was asking them to leave the UPCI ? or to attend the meeting?
The caller is remaining in the organization?

There have been many calls discussing many options/scenarios just making sure exactly what the content was.

[RevBuddy]

We're dancing around the issue...it doesn't matter what happened in 1992...those actions must stand alone, by themselves...

The actions of these men must also stand alone...two wrongs do not make a right...and you can't offer as an excuse the unethical behavior of others in the past as justification of present unethical behavior...

Ethics are not determined in light of others' actions...honesty and integrity are judged in light of His Word and commandments...

[SDG]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

We're dancing around the issue...it doesn't matter what happened in 1992...those actions must stand alone, by themselves...

The actions of these men must also stand alone...two wrongs do not make a right...and you can't offer as an excuse the unethical behavior of others in the past as justification of present unethical behavior...

Ethics are not determined in light of others' actions...honesty and integrity are judged in light of His Word and commandments...

Haven't you heard of situational ethics????

[RevBuddy]

Certainly!!!

But which situation???

[embonpoint]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

We're dancing around the issue...it doesn't matter what happened in 1992...those actions must stand alone, by themselves...

The actions of these men must also stand alone...two wrongs do not make a right...and you can't offer as an excuse the unethical behavior of others in the past as justification of present unethical behavior...

Ethics are not determined in light of others' actions...honesty and integrity are judged in light of His Word and commandments...

This correct, but is it ethical to impugn the charater of the men whose name is in the title of this thread by reference to "someone, somewheer" that encouraged "someone else" to get out of the UPCI. No one has yet produced any proof that the objective of the Tulsa meeting is to encourage people to leave the UPCI.

What we seem to be hearing at this point is that ministers inside and outside the UPCI will be participating. There is a difference in encouraging people to leave and recognizing that they ARE leaving and trying to minimize potential damage to to the kingdom of God which obviously is greater than any organization.

So what about the ethics of the posters of innuendoes and rumors?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by embonpoint

This correct, but is it ethical to impugn the charater of the men whose name is in the title of this thread by reference to "someone, somewheer" that encouraged "someone else" to get out of the UPCI. No one has yet produced any proof that the objective of the Tulsa meeting is to encourage people to leave the UPCI.

What we seem to be hearing at this point is that ministers inside and outside the UPCI will be participating. There is a difference in encouraging people to leave and recognizing that they ARE leaving and trying to minimize potential damage to to the kingdom of God which obviously is greater than any organization.

So what about the ethics of the posters of innuendoes and rumors?

This is the redlight district of the AFF .... rumors and innuendo are preferred entreprenuers.

When will you address this situation at hand rather than deflect?