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07-30-2007, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
You asserted that Elder Strange doesn't possess your understanding of divine flesh, Praxeas ... which takes to my original premise in my first thread ....
I know you are in the business of Apologetics ... I just want to know who and what you're sorry for .
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I stated either he was joking or he did not understand DF...even he acknowledges what he said was not meant to represent DF but to draw them out to explain their views. Keep up Dan. I didn't draw a conclusion as to someone elses belief DF in this case or Stranges views.
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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07-30-2007, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
You asserted that Elder Strange doesn't possess your understanding of divine flesh, Praxeas ... which takes to my original premise in my first thread ....
I know you are in the business of Apologetics ... I just want to know who and what you're sorry for .
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No matter DA. I found no reason to respond.
Actually though, I have debated the DF doctrine for many years. I know it very well.
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07-30-2007, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
That's exactly the divine blood/sperm doctrine that the Elder has expounded on here on several occasions .... with scriptural support .... and his classic "read and weep" line.
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Epleys view that God created sperm is NOT a Divine Flesh doctrine though. That was what we were talking about. Divine Flesh. Believing God miraculously created a male sperm or chromosome to genetically mix with Mary's is NOT Divine Flesh.
Divine Flesh denies there was any mixing at all or combination...that Mary's DNA was involved...
That's how the DF avocates have presented thier view to me for the last 7 or 8 years. If they have changed that view since then perhaps one of them can reassert their view here
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-30-2007, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Strange
No matter DA. I found no reason to respond.
Actually though, I have debated the DF doctrine for many years. I know it very well.
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I'm sure you do know it well Elder ... had you encountered the "divine" sperm/blood doctrine before as articulated by Elder Epley...? [ and apparently defended by Praxeas]
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07-30-2007, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
I'm sure you do know it well Elder ... had you encountered the "divine" sperm/blood doctrine before as articulated by Elder Epley...? [ and apparently defended by Praxeas]
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Dan please stop lying. I never EVER said God created sperm OR blood nor did I defend it. I am opposed to the divine FLESH doctrine, which this thread was about before you hijacked it
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-30-2007, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Was there a set of male chromosomes involved or was all the genetic material from Mary?
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No.
It was from Abraham. Just like the bible says. It was his seed. The seed of the woman is the seed of Abraham which is the promised seed....Christ.
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07-30-2007, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Epleys view that God created sperm is NOT a Divine Flesh doctrine though. That was what we were talking about. Divine Flesh. Believing God miraculously created a male sperm or chromosome to genetically mix with Mary's is NOT Divine Flesh.
Divine Flesh denies there was any mixing at all or combination...that Mary's DNA was involved...
That's how the DF avocates have presented thier view to me for the last 7 or 8 years. If they have changed that view since then perhaps one of them can reassert their view here
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I'm sure that's how you've perceived their arguments to be Praxeas ... just as some assert that preterists don't believe in the resurrection of the dead ... Trinnies believe in 3 Gods ... PCIers believe baptism is "optional" ....
All hogwash if you ask me....
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07-30-2007, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Strange
No.
It was from Abraham. Just like the bible says. It was his seed. The seed of the woman is the seed of Abraham which is the promised seed....Christ.
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I still don't understand....usually it takes chromosomes from a man and a woman to produce a human being...women do not carry both to be able to do this themselves. Humans are not asexual
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-30-2007, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Epleys view that God created sperm is NOT a Divine Flesh doctrine though. That was what we were talking about. Divine Flesh. Believing God miraculously created a male sperm or chromosome to genetically mix with Mary's is NOT Divine Flesh.
Divine Flesh denies there was any mixing at all or combination...that Mary's DNA was involved...
That's how the DF avocates have presented thier view to me for the last 7 or 8 years. If they have changed that view since then perhaps one of them can reassert their view here
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That's right.
However, it appears that some of the ideas being espoused borders on being half and half. 
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07-30-2007, 09:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
I'm sure that's how you've perceived their arguments to be Praxeas ... just as some assert that preterists don't believe in the resurrection of the dead ... Trinnies believe in 3 Gods ... PCIers believe baptism is "optional" ....
All hogwash if you ask me....
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not at all Dan. They have not beaten around the bush. They have said verbatim that Jesus had NO humanity from Mary. That His humanity was completely 100% from heaven.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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