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Old 10-09-2015, 07:43 AM
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im just saying we should all be irate that this is illegal.
A 72 year old preacher is facing jail time and a large fine for something so petty. Yeah I'm pretty irate about that.
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Old 10-09-2015, 08:00 AM
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so he didn't plead guilty to anything that any of us would consider to be illegal.

he was charged with a crime that should not be a crime.
It is a stupid law. Sorry I don't understand it at all. Guy is a criminal for withdrawing his own money?
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Old 10-09-2015, 08:11 AM
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I wonder if he is a target because of what he stands for...as well as his associations. Fundamentalists and conservatives seem to wear a bull's eye.

I want to walk uprightly and blameless before God and men, but there are times that accusation and blame goes beyond all reason, and its very sad when reputable people are being accused by what was at one time a just (or at least very close to just) government. How does a system established on liberty become so restrictive???
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I wonder if he is a target because of what he stands for...as well as his associations. Fundamentalists and conservatives seem to wear a bull's eye.

I want to walk uprightly and blameless before God and men, but there are times that accusation and blame goes beyond all reason, and its very sad when reputable people are being accused by what was at one time a just (or at least very close to just) government. How does a system established on liberty become so restrictive???
They are after this exDA his political enemies Bro. Cox was a friend. I understand the money laundering idea dealing with drugs this is an overreach. Using this as a political weapon is a shame. I would say that if it was a regular business man.
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They are after this exDA his political enemies Bro. Cox was a friend. I understand the money laundering idea dealing with drugs this is an overreach. Using this as a political weapon is a shame. I would say that if it was a regular business man.
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Old 10-09-2015, 08:48 AM
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This is nuts. people are going to jail after PROVING that the funds they withdrew/deposited are theirs legally and were used for legal purposes.

Its not just this preacher.

The government is also going after people that they know are doing legal activities. They go in, take their money, then charge them. The poor people then have to get a lawyer etc.

Then the IRS gives them the option to walk away without charges and some small portion of their cash. Its a legal shakedown.
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They imprisoned a Independent Baptist preacher named Kent Hovind for the same reason. It was all bogus, and the rumored reason was because Kent Hovind made videos teaching against IRS income Tax laws. While no one can really prove that was the reason, the whole structuring issue is demonic if they use it against citizens. Executive Order 6102 signed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt was to make it illegal for U.S. citizens to hoard gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates within the continental United States. That law was overturned in 1974? Someone could have Sean Google it and check the date. Anyway, the government from time to time comes up with these ideas to keep the rank and file in check.

Please everyone pray for Brother Jerry Cox, what he is getting is a raw deal.
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It is a stupid law. Sorry I don't understand it at all. Guy is a criminal for withdrawing his own money?
Preventive[edit]
In an attempt to prevent dirty money from entering the U.S. financial system in the first place, the United States Congress passed a series of laws, starting in 1970, collectively known as the Bank Secrecy Act (BSA). These laws, contained in sections 5311 through 5332 of Title 31 of the United States Code, require financial institutions, which under the current definition include a broad array of entities, including banks, credit card companies, life insurers, money service businesses and broker-dealers in securities, to report certain transactions to the United States Department of the Treasury. Cash transactions in excess of a certain amount must be reported on a currency transaction report (CTR), identifying the individual making the transaction as well as the source of the cash. The law originally required all transactions of US$5,000 or more to be reported, but due to excessively high levels of reporting the threshold was raised to US$10,000. The U.S. is one of the few countries in the world to require reporting of all cash transactions over a certain limit, although certain businesses can be exempt from the requirement.[63] Additionally, financial institutions must report transaction on a Suspicious Activity Report (SAR) that they deem "suspicious", defined as a knowing or suspecting that the funds come from illegal activity or disguise funds from illegal activity, that it is structured to evade BSA requirements or appears to serve no known business or apparent lawful purpose; or that the institution is being used to facilitate criminal activity. Attempts by customers to circumvent the BSA, generally by structuring cash deposits to amounts lower than US$10,000 by breaking them up and depositing them on different days or at different locations also violates the law.[64]

The financial database created by these reports is administered by the U.S.'s Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU), called the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), located in Vienna, Virginia. The reports are made available to U.S. criminal investigators, as well as other FIU's around the globe, and FinCEN conducts computer assisted analyses of these reports to determine trends and refer investigations.[65]

The BSA requires financial institutions to engage in customer due diligence, which is sometimes known in the parlance as know your customer. This includes obtaining satisfactory identification to give assurance that the account is in the customer's true name, and having an understanding of the expected nature and source of the money that flows through the customer's accounts. Other classes of customers, such as those with private banking accounts and those of foreign government officials, are subjected to enhanced due diligence because the law deems that those types of accounts are a higher risk for money laundering. All accounts are subject to ongoing monitoring, in which internal bank software scrutinizes transactions and flags for manual inspection those that fall outside certain parameters. If a manual inspection reveals that the transaction is suspicious, the institution should file a Suspicious Activity Report.[66]

The regulators of the industries involved are responsible to ensure that the financial institutions comply with the BSA. For example, the Federal Reserve and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency regularly inspect banks, and may impose civil fines or refer matters for criminal prosecution for non-compliance. A number of banks have been fined and prosecuted for failure to comply with the BSA. Most famously, Riggs Bank, in Washington D.C., was prosecuted and functionally driven out of business as a result of its failure to apply proper money laundering controls, particularly as it related to foreign political figures.[67]

In addition to the BSA, the U.S. imposes controls on the movement of currency across its borders, requiring individuals to report the transportation of cash in excess of US$10,000 on a form called Report of International Transportation of Currency or Monetary Instruments (known as a CMIR).[68] Likewise, businesses, such as automobile dealerships, that receive cash in excess of US$10,000 must file a Form 8300 with the Internal Revenue Service, identifying the source of the cash.[69]

On 1 September 2010, the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network issued an advisory on "informal value transfer systems" referencing United States v. Banki.[70]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_...#United_States
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In an attempt to prevent dirty money from entering the U.S. financial system in the first place, the United States Congress passed a series of laws, starting in 1970, collectively known as the Bank Secrecy Act (BSA). These laws, contained in sections 5311 through 5332 of Title 31 of the United States Code, require financial institutions, which under the current definition include a broad array of entities, including banks, credit card companies, life insurers, money service businesses and broker-dealers in securities, to report certain transactions to the United States Department of the Treasury. Cash transactions in excess of a certain amount must be reported on a currency transaction report (CTR), identifying the individual making the transaction as well as the source of the cash. The law originally required all transactions of US$5,000 or more to be reported, but due to excessively high levels of reporting the threshold was raised to US$10,000. The U.S. is one of the few countries in the world to require reporting of all cash transactions over a certain limit, although certain businesses can be exempt from the requirement.[63] Additionally, financial institutions must report transaction on a Suspicious Activity Report (SAR) that they deem "suspicious", defined as a knowing or suspecting that the funds come from illegal activity or disguise funds from illegal activity, that it is structured to evade BSA requirements or appears to serve no known business or apparent lawful purpose; or that the institution is being used to facilitate criminal activity. Attempts by customers to circumvent the BSA, generally by structuring cash deposits to amounts lower than US$10,000 by breaking them up and depositing them on different days or at different locations also violates the law.[64]

The financial database created by these reports is administered by the U.S.'s Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU), called the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), located in Vienna, Virginia. The reports are made available to U.S. criminal investigators, as well as other FIU's around the globe, and FinCEN conducts computer assisted analyses of these reports to determine trends and refer investigations.[65]

The BSA requires financial institutions to engage in customer due diligence, which is sometimes known in the parlance as know your customer. This includes obtaining satisfactory identification to give assurance that the account is in the customer's true name, and having an understanding of the expected nature and source of the money that flows through the customer's accounts. Other classes of customers, such as those with private banking accounts and those of foreign government officials, are subjected to enhanced due diligence because the law deems that those types of accounts are a higher risk for money laundering. All accounts are subject to ongoing monitoring, in which internal bank software scrutinizes transactions and flags for manual inspection those that fall outside certain parameters. If a manual inspection reveals that the transaction is suspicious, the institution should file a Suspicious Activity Report.[66]

The regulators of the industries involved are responsible to ensure that the financial institutions comply with the BSA. For example, the Federal Reserve and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency regularly inspect banks, and may impose civil fines or refer matters for criminal prosecution for non-compliance. A number of banks have been fined and prosecuted for failure to comply with the BSA. Most famously, Riggs Bank, in Washington D.C., was prosecuted and functionally driven out of business as a result of its failure to apply proper money laundering controls, particularly as it related to foreign political figures.[67]

In addition to the BSA, the U.S. imposes controls on the movement of currency across its borders, requiring individuals to report the transportation of cash in excess of US$10,000 on a form called Report of International Transportation of Currency or Monetary Instruments (known as a CMIR).[68] Likewise, businesses, such as automobile dealerships, that receive cash in excess of US$10,000 must file a Form 8300 with the Internal Revenue Service, identifying the source of the cash.[69]

On 1 September 2010, the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network issued an advisory on "informal value transfer systems" referencing United States v. Banki.[70]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_...#United_States
I understand the money laundering reason this wasn't money laundering connected with drugs or terror.
Goofy I think. Sharpton a regular to the White House, Hillary ???? And the list goes on.
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