UPCI pastor resigns amid teen sex charges

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by DAII

Or another random rabbit trail ... he wanted to take the judge down.

Notice the judge ignored him? The question had nothing to do with the final bail amount, and the judge had asked him to stick with statements regarding reasons for bail reductions. Any other information Monk provided only wasted the judge's time at best.

[Liberal]

Originally Posted by DAII

Yowser, I'm done answering your question ... answered it, flipped it, sauteed it, and yet you would convict Hassan in the court of public opinion, while still technically, "innocent" under the same system you are pontificating.

It an argument of convenience.

I've never had a disagreement with you, but I'm getting a shade of the taste that some get when they're irritated with you. You said that I would convict Hassan in the court of public opinion????? Really???? When did I get within a galaxy of saying that? This is a fairly frustrating discussion. You also say you're finished answering my question when in reality, you still haven't answered it. I'm just asking...is there any chance this man is innocent and you won't answer that. If you have the fortitude I think you have, you'll answer that question. But so far, nothing close.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Liberal

I've never had a disagreement with you, but I'm getting a shade of the taste that some get when they're irritated with you. You said that I would convict Hassan in the court of public opinion????? Really???? When did I get within a galaxy of saying that? This is a fairly frustrating discussion. You also say you're finished answering my question when in reality, you still haven't answered it. I'm just asking...is there any chance this man is innocent and you won't answer that. If you have the fortitude I think you have, you'll answer that question. But so far, nothing close.

There is always a chance that a man is innocent. Unless, of course, he admits guilt, says he kissed and had sex with her and resigns.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by ILG

Scotty,

I understand what you are saying, but I don't think you are seeing the picture clearly. Please delete what you wrote about your daughter. She was 15 years old and deserves to be protected. Please don't put this on the internet. She was duped and taken advantage of. And, it doesn't make it too much better, but the youth minister was 22. This pastor is in his fourties.

Yes , but why ILG ? Thats my question. Why was she duped as you say? Do you not understand she and others like her are WILLING ? How can I not see this clearly ? Your looking at it from the outside , Im in the middle of it. I dont expect you to understand.

And thank you for your concern of her privacy but I assure you, no one even remotly close to me and family post or read here. Plus due to other circumstances I wont go into, she is no longer in the picture anyway, she is not one of the three daughters I have mentioned. But the three that are still in my life are very vocal about controling their own lives when it comes to this subject.

[Liberal]

Originally Posted by ILG

There is always a chance that a man is innocent. Unless, of course, he admits guilt, says he kissed and had sex with her and resigns.

If he admits guilt, which hasn't been verified. Resigned? Could it be that he's doing something in the best interest of the church he founded?

[Scott Hutchinson]

This is sad,but indicative of moral conditions of our day.

[Scott Hutchinson]

It is sad to me that a man that age would fall into into a improper relationship with a minor.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by scotty

Yes , but why ILG ? Thats my question. Why was she duped as you say? Do you not understand she and others like her are WILLING ? How can I not see this clearly ? Your looking at it from the outside , Im in the middle of it. I dont expect you to understand.

And thank you for your concern of her privacy but I assure you, no one even remotly close to me and family post or read here. Plus due to other circumstances I wont go into, she is no longer in the picture anyway, she is not one of the three daughters I have mentioned. But the three that are still in my life are very vocal about controling their own lives when it comes to this subject.

What does willing mean? Completely understanding their own motives? Why they are doing what they are doing? Understanding the consequences?

Willingness is a very relative term when it comes to sex and molestation. Many pedophiles claim their victims are "willing".

If your daughter knew you put this out on the internet and blamed her, she would be close to destroyed. Please remove it.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Liberal

If he admits guilt, which hasn't been verified. Resigned? Could it be that he's doing something in the best interest of the church he founded?

I think it's obvious that if he hasn't admitted guilt he could be innocent.

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by scotty

Do you not understand she and others like her are WILLING ?

Sometimes, Scotty, the person is willing. Sometimes they are not. Whether she was willing or unwilling is a moot point in determining his guilt. There are thankfully few men who succumb to the temptations of a 16 year old simply because she is willing, though I must admit that sleeping with a man 31 years older than me was never something that interested me even as a curious teen. And if she pursued him, he should have been even more cautious to have another party present when (if) he counseled her. Or better yet, he should have recommended she get counsel from someone else.

However, was she willing? I've seen a lot of people do things that went against their conscience or even blatantly against the Bible because someone convinced them they should or because in an emotional high or low they simply made a huge mistake. I've also seen people willingly do things that they later denied wanting to do due to embarrassment or guilt. I won't pass judgment either way.