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Re: 3 steppers
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Originally Posted by deltaguitar
Once again this is an argument about something that we agree on. We all agree that there will be fruits and life change for the people who receive the spirit.
Why doesn't the bible say, "when you are filled you will speak in tongues"? Because it isn't in there. Not in one place.
Remember, we agree on a lot of things. Just not the process of the new birth. This disagreement centers specifically around someone the question that can a person actually be saved without speaking in tongues. We have tons of scripture that points to salvation that doesn't mention tongues.
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Why does it have to say it like that? Hmmm? Why does it have to be in the exact verbatim way you decide? That is like JWs asking Why didn't Jesus ever say "I am God"? Because he didn't. He never said "I am God"..however he DID indicate HE is God by other means.
We have tons of scriptures that never mention repentance too while speaking of salvation...do you assume that means we don't have to repent?
Is it biblical to baptize in crisco oil because in some places water was not mentioned? Sorry but that is just not a good argument
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05-14-2009, 03:24 PM
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Re: 3 steppers
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Why didn't these folks already have the Holy Ghost? They had been baptized and believed the gospel. Why didn't they have the Holy Ghost? I think the question to this could shed some light on the whole subject.
I honestly don't know but I know I couldn't pull doctrine from a text that is so confusing.
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I think rather than that being a question I have to answer that is a question YOU have to answer. Why?
Because it shows that people do NOT receive the Holy Ghost automatically upon believing.
It also shows that Phillip and the others KNEW somehow that these folks had not yet received the Spirit.
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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05-14-2009, 03:26 PM
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Re: 3 steppers
Delta, do you think it could be dangerous to just assume someone has the Spirit? Just because? How DO I know I have the Spirit?
BTW this precedes Pentecostals in the old time Methodists who practiced "tarrying" for a salvational experience to confirm to them that they were indeed accepted of the Lord
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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05-14-2009, 03:35 PM
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Re: 3 steppers
There was no tarrying in the bible forthe salvatinal exper.. in the bible they..they tarried in the upperoom but it was for the promise....Promise so you telling me that me dead relatives did not have the promise......God does not break his promises
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05-14-2009, 03:39 PM
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Re: 3 steppers
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If this verse in Romans was for people that were already saved they why was it quoted they were already saved right atleast that is what I am told but I find that alittle odd see what the verse states
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Rom 10 is about Israel and Israel only.
Rom 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
Rom 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
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Re: 3 steppers
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There was no tarrying in the bible forthe salvatinal exper.. in the bible they..they tarried in the upperoom but it was for the promise....Promise so you telling me that me dead relatives did not have the promise......God does not break his promises
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How do you know they did not tarry?
I don't know anything about your dead relatives nor did I say God broke a promise.
How does one get the Spirit?
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05-14-2009, 03:40 PM
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Re: 3 steppers
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about. Rom 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
Rom 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. |
WHO was Paul taking to? the BRETHREN!
What was Paul talking about? His burden for Israel
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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05-14-2009, 03:43 PM
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Re: 3 steppers
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WHO was Paul taking to? the BRETHREN!
What was Paul talking about? His burden for Israel
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I never said who he was talking to just who he was talking about.I just figured you knew he was talking to the church about ISRAEL.
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05-14-2009, 03:44 PM
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Re: 3 steppers
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I think rather than that being a question I have to answer that is a question YOU have to answer. Why?
Because it shows that people do NOT receive the Holy Ghost automatically upon believing.
It also shows that Phillip and the others KNEW somehow that these folks had not yet received the Spirit.
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No, it shows that a specific race of people, the Samaritans, didn't first receive the Holy Ghost without it coming from the apostles first. The problem is that if the Samaritans (with their leader Simon who was known to be a sorcerer) had all of a sudden had the Holy Ghost without out it coming from the Jews then no one would have believed it. Remember, the Jews thought it was for them. I think a valid point of this text is that without the blessing of the Apostles there would have been huge credibility issues with this newly founded gospel.
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05-14-2009, 03:45 PM
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Re: 3 steppers
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I never said who he was talking to just who he was talking about.
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Well you didn't really say anything though did you? Unless I missed it all you did was post a verse, make a couple words very large and pretty colors added 
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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