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Originally Posted by CC1
The bottom line is that I don't want the same folks who run the DMV or Social Security Office or Post Office running my health care!
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I think you’re not really aware of how the system would work.
It’s like the system held by people in Congress. I’m a government employee; it might even have elements like mine. The Government essentially treats citizens like employees. The Government uses this group bargaining power to secure lower rates with PRIVATE insurance companies for the citizens signed up for the program. This is handled through the same agency that handles the health insurance programs for those in Congress. THOSE IN CONGRESS DON’T HAVE
GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE, it’s PRIVATE. The Government then subsidizes the PRIVATE plans we sign up for with the PRIVATE insurance companies like our employers do now. With group rates the size of those available to the Federal Government and subsidization our premiums will be in the basement. Yes, our taxes will rise but when our lower premiums and higher taxes are compared to what we are paying to the private industry directly the average America will SAVE at least $200 of their own money a month. Your plan would be through United Health Care or one of the other leading PRIVATE providers in your area. You’re still allowed to CHOOSE any doctor you like that is in network with the private provider you go with. The network would be the same as it is now.
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They will have employees who cannot be fired, who are unmotivated to work, and don't give a flip about the customer. Once that permeates the healthcare system it will be much more of a wreck than it is now.
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That’s a myth. As you can see all that would likely happen is that the Fed would have to hire about 50 to a hundred extra administrative assistance to handle the processing paperwork out of the same department that handles health insurance for Congress. No new department would be needed that permeates the health care system. Again, it’s modeled after what they have in Congress and is entirely managed by PRIVATE insurers and providers. You’re just being given benefits like you’re a government employee. Since you work to pay the government’s bills, vote, and send your kids to fight and die to protect government and our citizens, why shouldn’t the government extend its benefits to you?
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Even Canada who has one of the better socialist medical systems has to ship pregnant women with problems to American hospitals in Michigan to get specialized treatment.
If you want a realistic look at what socialized medicine would be like for America just do a little research on how it is in the UK and Australia. Waiting for months on end for MRI's and Catscans, etc.
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Actually, Canada’s and Britain’s aren’t finer systems. France is considered to have the best followed closely by Germany if I remember correctly. The system that would exist in the US is more like that in France and Germany, it’s a private system; it’s only subsidized by the government.
Most of the waiting for months for MRI’s and Cat Scans are rare situations that the majority in Canada has never had to face.
Here’s an example of what happened to my father-in-law. He had some issues with pain in his chest and shortness of breath. Some blood work was done on him and it was almost week late getting to him. The doctor informed him that he needed immediate heart surgery. So they scheduled him for heart surgery, now almost a week late. The surgery went wonderful. However, they got the prescription wrong and overdosed him with blood thinner and a couple days later he was having severe weakness. He reported to the hospital emergency room where he waited to see a doctor for 10 HOURS. During that time the nursing staff gave him additional blood thinner and he began to complain that he was tasting blood. They then rushed him to the ICU after he had been waiting for a little over 11 hours. He died two hours later of internal bleeding around his heart. Was that in Canada? NO!!! That was in Kettering Ohio…in the United States of America.
My aunt-in-law was pregnant and when she had to have her baby the hospital didn’t have enough rooms so she ended up giving birth in a linen closet. That was in Columbus Ohio, United States of America.
My point? My point is that one could take hundreds or more cases like this and use it to mischaracterize the system here in the United States claiming we have bigger problems with overall health care provision than we do. The issue here isn’t health care; we’ve got great health care… its insurance. Fifty million Americans, and growing, can’t afford this state of the art health care. We take those rare and uncharacteristic events from Canada and use it to smear their entire system. It’s not altogether honest journalism if you ask me. I’ve been to Canada, have family in Canada, and have spoken at length with Canadians over the internet. What you’re describing isn’t their common experience.
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Once being a Doctor pays what being a ditch digger earns how many people do you think are going to want to devote 12 years of their life to become one? Some still will but many of the best and brightest brains will do something else.
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I know of a doctor in Tipp City Ohio who’s moving to Canada next Summer. He has explained how it’s far too expensive to be a doctor in the United States. First, the tort reform desperately needed is slow coming, partly because the tort reform needed is like that found in the Canadian system. Also he spends hours a day filling out PAPERWORK not TREATING patients. And he argues that there isn’t even a uniform standard of documentation among insurers. The Canadian system doesn’t have these problems as bad as the US and after all is said and done…he’d make money working in Canada. He knows of other doctors who are considering moving to Canada for many of the same reasons.
I believe that the prejudice against this idea is based on ideology and misinformation.
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