Did God ever command or desire praise or worship o

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Prayer don't help if your here.2Tim.3
[1] This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
[2] For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
[3] Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
[4] Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
[5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
[6] For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
[7] Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
[8] Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
[9] But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
[10] But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
[11] Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
[12] Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
[13] But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

That can just as easily apply to you

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'
Mat 7:24 "Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
Mat 7:25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock.
Mat 7:26 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
Mat 7:27 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it."

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Tell me,did God ever command or desire praise or worship or offerings from man or was it started by man ?

Serving God is what He commands. Service is Worship. Praise is our response to His goodness.

Mat 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, Go, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve."

Deu 6:13 You must revere the Lord your God, serve him, and take oaths using only his name.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Prayer don't help if your here.2Tim.3
[1] This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
[2] For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
[3] Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
[4] Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
[5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
[6] For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
[7] Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
[8] Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
[9] But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
[10] But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
[11] Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
[12] Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
[13] But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

I'm fine, then.

But, it seems that if God leads me to a different "truth" than He leads you to, I'm wrong and you're right. That about right?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Timmy

I'm fine, then.

But, it seems that if God leads me to a different "truth" than He leads you to, I'm wrong and you're right. That about right?

I know you weren't responding to me, but to answer your question, no. God cannot lead one person to one "truth" and another person to another "truth".

Seems you and I, at least, had this conversation before. lol

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Timmy

I've done that. Guess I'm not deceived, then?

It may take some time and may take little time, but once we make that prayer and really mean it, God will go to work to guide us.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Joelel

You know what one of the greatest deception is ? When someone believes everything in the bible is true.

Another classic statement!

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It may take some time and may take little time, but once we make that prayer and really mean it, God will go to work to guide us.

How's 30+ years sound?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Did God command the Israelites to make him burnt offerings?

God commanded the Israelites to make him burnt offerings.
Exodus 8:27
We will go three days' journey into the wilderness, and sacrifice to the LORD our God, as he shall command us.

God did not ask for any burnt offerings.
Jeremiah 7:22
For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices.

Joel, you need to study more and stop listening to those voices. If you read the context the understanding is more apparent as is evidenced by the NET bible translation

Jer 7:18 The children are gathering firewood. The fathers are building fires with it. And the women are mixing dough to bake cakes to offer to the goddess they call the Queen of Heaven. They are also pouring out drink offerings to other gods. They seem to do all this just to grieve me.
Jer 7:19 But am I really the one being grieved?" says the Lord. "Are they not rather bringing grief on themselves to their own shame?
Jer 7:20 So," the Lord God says, "my raging fury will be poured out on this land. It will be poured out on human beings and animals, on trees and crops. And it will burn like a fire which cannot be put out."

Jer 7:21 The Lord also said to the people of Judah, "The Lord God of Israel who rules over all says: 'You might as well go ahead and add the meat of your burnt offerings to that of the other sacrifices and eat it, too!
Jer 7:22 Consider this: When I spoke to your ancestors after I brought them out of Egypt, I did not merely give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices.
Jer 7:23 I also explicitly commanded them: "Obey me. If you do, I will be your God and you will be my people. Live exactly the way I tell you and things will go well with you."
Jer 7:24 But they did not listen to me or pay any attention to me. They followed the stubborn inclinations of their own wicked hearts. They got worse and worse instead of getting better.

On more than one occasion God told Israel he was fed up with their "offerings"....much like a lot of modern day Christians. They make their offerings...they think saying "Praise God" over and over is a "sacrifice", but sacrifice with out obedience is void

1Sa 15:21 But the people took of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the best of the things devoted to destruction, to sacrifice to the LORD your God in Gilgal."
1Sa 15:22 And Samuel said, "Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to listen than the fat of rams.

They thought they "worship" was just this act of burning dead animals as offerings to God, as though God was looking for a meal. God was looking for obedience. Offerings though WERE a part of the law.

God commanded Abraham to sacrifice...OFFER his son to God. God was looking at his obedience to God...at how much he trusted and respected God...Abraham called that WORSHIP

Gen 22:5 Then Abraham said to his young men, "Stay here with the donkey; I and the boy will go over there and worship and come again to you."

Sacrifices are supposed to be a form of Worship and Praise to God, Later the Israelites abused that notion and polluted it. Sacrifices to Jehovah predated this period. It started out "pleasing" to God because it was the product of hearts that really worshiped God. God commanded that they be allowed to leave Egypt and go and SERVE Jehovah. That is what He commanded. There is no contradiction there, merely misunderstanding on your part

Can anyone answer my question.I'm trying to figure out what kind of God would exalt himself by desiring worship and tell us to be humble?

God is already EXALTED. Man's PRIDE keeps him from obeying the True God and recognizing His status. God does not exalt Himself. He does not need to. Man needs to get over himself and recognize that God made them, not we ourselves AND that He is GOOD.

Psa 100:2 Serve the LORD with gladness! Come into his presence with singing!
Psa 100:3 Know that the LORD, he is God! It is he who made us, and we are his; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.

What kind of God would tell us not to kill but kill himself ?

God tells us to do no MURDER, not to "not kill". Man killed many times in righteousness...they also did it NOT in righteousness. The defining factor was judgement. God is the Ultimate judge and the arbitrator of the direction His creation is to take....not you...not man. He has a plan and an ultimate goal for His creation and you....men...tend to say "No, I want to do it MY way"

Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me,
Isa 45:6 that people may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am the LORD, and there is no other.
Isa 45:7 I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the LORD, who does all these things.
Isa 45:8 "Shower, O heavens, from above, and let the clouds rain down righteousness; let the earth open, that salvation and righteousness may bear fruit; let the earth cause them both to sprout; I the LORD have created it.
Isa 45:9 "Woe to him who strives with him who formed him, a pot among earthen pots! Does the clay say to him who forms it, 'What are you making?' or 'Your work has no handles'?
Isa 45:10 Woe to him who says to a father, 'What are you begetting?' or to a woman, 'With what are you in labor?'"
Isa 45:11 Thus says the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and the one who formed him: "Ask me of things to come; will you command me concerning my children and the work of my hands?
Isa 45:12 I made the earth and created man on it; it was my hands that stretched out the heavens, and I commanded all their host.

What kind of God would be jealous to desire worship?

The God that created us? He created us for a purpose. Your God presumably. Why ask why?

Why would a God want worship?

Again THE God desires worship because it's how creation RELATES to creator. Man is the ONLY creature to rebel against his purpose for being.

Jealousy is bad and kills.

MAN is bad and kills. MAN is unable to control himself. God is NOT a man that He should lie. God is not controlled. BTW again as before a little understanding and study helps. In the context of the scripture this idea of "jealous" was used of FALSE GODS Joelel....God did not want His creation worshiping OTHER gods, false gods.

The word "jealous" is the same word often translated "zeal" or "zealous." The word describes a passionate intensity to protect or defend something that is jeopardized. The word can also have the sense of "envy," but in that case the object is out of bounds. God's zeal or jealousy is to protect his people or his institutions or his honor. Yahweh's honor is bound up with the life of his people.

What kind of love does this?

The kind of Love of a father to a son Joelel...have you not yet understood that?

What kind of God would kill out of anger,wrath.

Joelel, Wrath and Anger are anthropomorphisms. God is righteous and all knowing. His actions have purpose other than to just get rid of something he does not like. If God was like that Moses never would have been able to stay God's hand in slaying the disobedient children of Israel. God does not need "time" to kill....God knew Moses would plead their case and gave Moses time to play the mediator. It all serves a greater purpose, but of course you have to have a Revelation to understand all that given by the Spirit of God.

To be honest with you it don't scare me to be killed by God but it scares the bee honey out of me to think we have a God like this.Did man write all of this to try and make us be good little boys and girls?

It's sad to see someone that claims to be so Spiritual be so spiritually lacking in understanding Joel.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I know you weren't responding to me, but to answer your question, no. God cannot lead one person to one "truth" and another person to another "truth".

Seems you and I, at least, had this conversation before. lol

Sure. Maybe I should have said it differently:

"But, it seems that if I think God leads me to truth, and it's different from what you think God leads you to, then I'm wrong and you're right. That about right?"

For your reply:

It may take some time and may take little time, but once we make that prayer and really mean it, God will go to work to guide us.

Same problem. If I think God has given me a truth, and it's not the same as your truth, you must assume that I didn't "really mean it", I suppose? How am I supposed to know whether you really meant it?

Anybody's head hurt yet?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I know you weren't responding to me, but to answer your question, no. God cannot lead one person to one "truth" and another person to another "truth".

Seems you and I, at least, had this conversation before. lol

Exactly. New Agers like Oprah Winfrey are so clueless. They think there can be multiple truths, even truths that contradict each other.

1+1 can't be both 2 and not 2...those two answers can't both be true.