Swinging Saints!

[Esther]

Originally Posted by JaneEyre

Absolutely NOTHING would surprise me about the UPCI. NOTHING.

I have heard more garbage in the last year that blows my mind. Ten years ago it would have been hard to believe. But we are in the last days, and sin is rampant.

But thank God for his grace!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by 1399

Again, WHY FALSELY ACCUSE THE UPCI?

What's his name?
Where did he pastor?
Who else did you tell about this?

I think you're full of baloney!!!!

You are confusing TWO different accounts.

Esther has told one and the pastor of that church knows nothing of what is going on.

I reported another and this minister is no longer in the UPC.

Now calm down.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Esther

I know this pastor and he would NOT condone this IF he knew it was going on!

you will never speak his name.

you won't because he does not exist.

there is no need to lie-- think of another topic for a thread and stop trashing the UPCI.

unless you can come forth with the truth to someone else in leadership within the organization, you shouldn't bring it forth here.

but you brought it forth here because you are lying.

you should stop it, really.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by 1399

you will never speak his name.

you won't because he does not exist.

there is no need to lie-- think of another topic for a thread and stop trashing the UPCI.

unless you can come forth with the truth to someone else in leadership within the organization, you shouldn't bring it forth here.

but you brought it forth here because you are lying.

you should stop it, really.

I don't know when you thought you became God? I resent you calling me a liar as well, when I know I am NOT. I am NOT going to give you names to appease YOU, so you are welcome to your rose color glasses or stick your head in the sand which ever please you! But you can stop calling folks liars because you don't like the information that they have!

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by U376977

Yes I know it to be true. The young man confessed it to my pastor. The Bishop had been with him and is wife on seperate occasions.

The nude church was a news story. They filmed with legs crossed, pastor standing behind the pulpit, ect.

Sometimes I think we have a disconnect---a very good thing---with what happens with worldly living people. We live holy and are shocked at what is accepted by "church" people when they live by worldly standards.

Something this egregious was confessed to your Pastor, which he then turned around and talked to you about it, right?

For what purpose did this conversation happen between you and your Pastor? Why would he violate the confidentiality of some poor saint who's had himself and his wife laid by this "Bishop"?

DOES ANY ONE ELSE SEE THE ASININITY IN THIS?????

Who is this "Bishop" and did your Pastor pass the information of this guy's gross misconduct to higher leadership?


You're full of baloney too!
It isn't good to lie.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by 1399

Something this egregious was confessed to your Pastor, which he then turned around and talked to you about it, right?

For what purpose did this conversation happen between you and your Pastor? Why would he violate the confidentiality of some poor saint who's had himself and his wife laid by this "Bishop"?

DOES ANY ONE ELSE SEE THE ASININITY IN THIS?????

Who is this "Bishop" and did your Pastor pass the information of this guy's gross misconduct to higher leadership?


You're full of baloney too!
It isn't good to lie.

Perhaps the pastor was/is training him???

I know this is hard for you to believe but not everyone is a liar. BUT I have found folks that keep branding someone with something quite often is the one with the problem.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by 1399

you will never speak his name.

you won't because he does not exist.

there is no need to lie-- think of another topic for a thread and stop trashing the UPCI.

unless you can come forth with the truth to someone else in leadership within the organization, you shouldn't bring it forth here.

but you brought it forth here because you are lying.

you should stop it, really.

I"m not taking the time to sign in as admin and give you an infraction - I'll do it under my own name. WE DO NOT allow members to call other members liars.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Esther

I don't know when you thought you became God? I resent you calling me a liar as well, when I know I am NOT. I am NOT going to give you names to appease YOU, so you are welcome to your rose color glasses or stick your head in the sand which ever please you! But you can stop calling folks liars because you don't like the information that they have!

After reading my posts, I did not call you a liar.

Telling a lie does not make one a liar, at least not a pathological one any way.

I thought I read the posts carefully-- I did not read where in fact you did let someone know in leadership about what you have recently heard.

I was angered by the fact that I read that you said,

"If the pastor of the church knew where this was going on, he would condone it anyway,"

or something to that affect.

Maybe I misinterpreted what you typed. If I did, I apologize now.

But if that is indeed the gist of what you typed, then you are the one who crossed the line, not me.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by 1399

After reading my posts, I did not call you a liar.

Telling a lie does not make one a liar, at least not a pathological one any way.

I thought I read the posts carefully-- I did not read where in fact you did let someone know in leadership about what you have recently heard.

I was angered by the fact that I read that you said,

"If the pastor of the church knew where this was going on, he would condone it anyway,"

or something to that affect.

Maybe I misinterpreted what you typed. If I did, I apologize now.

But if that is indeed the gist of what you typed, then you are the one who crossed the line, not me.

Excuse me, saying "you are lying" IS calling someone a liar.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by 1399

After reading my posts, I did not call you a liar.

Telling a lie does not make one a liar, at least not a pathological one any way.

I thought I read the posts carefully-- I did not read where in fact you did let someone know in leadership about what you have recently heard.

I was angered by the fact that I read that you said,

"If the pastor of the church knew where this was going on, he would condone it anyway,"

or something to that affect.

Maybe I misinterpreted what you typed. If I did, I apologize now.

But if that is indeed the gist of what you typed, then you are the one who crossed the line, not me.

She said if the pastor knew about it he "would NOT condone it".