The Pre-Existence Of The Son

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

To teach that God created a permanent form of some kind in eternity is actually Arianism. Here is the question I ask all folks who believe this.
"What happened to that body at the incarnation?"

Should be simple. Good luck. Micheal has never been able to answer that so I am waiting?

I don't believe that God created a permanent form of some kind in eternity.

What I'm saying is that the WORD of God is the visible form of the invisible God.

This visible form of God is the EXPRESS IMAGE of God. This visible form of God is what appeared to men of old (example: Adam)

The WORD is what became flesh. So there's no question as to what happened to the body at the incarnation.


Col 1
13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Heb 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

1 John 4:12
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1 Tim 6
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

No man has seen the invisible God at any time. We've only seen him in his express self-revelation to us.
This is NOT Arianism.
I believe that Jesus Christ, the Son of God is the Almighty God himself.
I'm pretty sure Arians do NOT believe that.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

To teach that God created a permanent form of some kind in eternity is actually Arianism. Here is the question I ask all folks who believe this.
"What happened to that body at the incarnation?"

Should be simple. Good luck. Micheal has never been able to answer that so I am waiting?

The form was only permanent until Bethlehem. The "body" was the Logos. The Logos became flesh.

Arians teach the Son of God was created as the begotten Son. Another individual who was not God himself. This is not what we teach. The WORD was the image of the invisible God. A form for the omnipresent one. Jesus is still the Logos but now as a man rather than the Angel of YHWH.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Now we part.

Now that's funny...

The place where you part is on a direct quote of scripture.


One just can't make these things up.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

If the Son pre-existed as GOD HIMSELF....Then He was God Himself not God the Son...How did He exist? As God Himself...the answer was right infront of you

Yeah.

I'm sure that the quote above makes all the sense in the world to you but it's all circular reasoning to me.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The form was only permanent until Bethlehem. The "body" was the Logos. The Logos became flesh.

Arians teach the Son of God was created as the begotten Son. Another individual who was not God himself. This is not what we teach. The WORD was the image of the invisible God. A form for the omnipresent one. Jesus is still the Logos but now as a man rather than the Angel of YHWH.

What happened to this permanent body?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

I don't believe that God created a permanent form of some kind in eternity.

What I'm saying is that the WORD of God is the visible form of the invisible God.

This visible form of God is the EXPRESS IMAGE of God. This visible form of God is what appeared to men of old (example: Adam)

The WORD is what became flesh. So there's no question as to what happened to the body at the incarnation.


Col 1
13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Heb 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

1 John 4:12
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1 Tim 6
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

No man has seen the invisible God at any time. We've only seen him in his express self-revelation to us.
This is NOT Arianism.
I believe that Jesus Christ, the Son of God is the Almighty God himself.
I'm pretty sure Arians do NOT believe that.

What happened to this permanent body?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

What happened to this permanent body?

I'm pretty sure they are saying that body became flesh... Of course that's a relatively simple explanation since neither of them really use the term body to describe the Word.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

I don't believe that God created a permanent form of some kind in eternity.

What I'm saying is that the WORD of God is the visible form of the invisible God.

This visible form of God is the EXPRESS IMAGE of God. This visible form of God is what appeared to men of old (example: Adam)

The WORD is what became flesh. So there's no question as to what happened to the body at the incarnation.


Col 1
13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Heb 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

1 John 4:12
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1 Tim 6
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

No man has seen the invisible God at any time. We've only seen him in his express self-revelation to us.
This is NOT Arianism.
I believe that Jesus Christ, the Son of God is the Almighty God himself.
I'm pretty sure Arians do NOT believe that.

I think you are onto something... I will have to think about it.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I'm pretty sure they are saying that body became flesh... Of course that's a relatively simple explanation since neither of them really use the term body to describe the Word.

Splain that please how did the BODY become flesh?

[berkeley]

LOL. They shoulda said it was a temp body that vaporized.