Michlow, you totally dodged my line of argument. The bible says that by the foolishness of preaching, men would be saved that believed. God ordained ministry as the vehicle of salvation. How do you think you can be saved without ministry? Even ministers have other ministries in their lives.
Sigh....
I thought it was already established that I don't believe the Bible to be the word of God.
I thought it was already established that I don't believe the Bible to be the word of God.
You're hopeless. Don't you think if there was a God that he would communicate with humanity. Why are you so special that he would bypass the scripture and only give you personal revelation?
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You're hopeless. Don't you think if there was a God that he would communicate with humanity. Why are you so special that he would bypass the scripture and only give you personal revelation?
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You're hopeless. Don't you think if there was a God that he would communicate with humanity. Why are you so special that he would bypass the scripture and only give you personal revelation?
Well at least you are honest about it! Actually, this conversation has changed my mind, I think Timmy made some good points. The few things that I reserved as being of God, most likely were products of my own brain.
Is that better? Is it better for me to believe nothing, rather than something that differs from your beliefs?
I have never understood how a group of people that preach that receiving the holy Ghost is so all fire important at the same time secretly think it useless.
You're hopeless. Don't you think if there was a God that he would communicate with humanity. Why are you so special that he would bypass the scripture and only give you personal revelation?
Seriously? Wow!
She's certainly not hopeless. And I don't think it's up to us to judge whether or not God spoke to her, since she's not telling us what God wants US to do.
That reminds me of another reason I don't believe that God talks to people: the messages are so often contradictory! This is most clearly seen when the messages are regarding "truth". These special kinds of messages are sometimes called "revelations". The Bible talks about this phenomenon where we are told that the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth. But how many different "truths" are there? Does He really tell some people about Oneness and others about the Trinity? My hunch is that "revelations" are nothing more than our own understandings of things being kind of solidified in our minds, perhaps accompanied by one of those profound experiences. And telling people it was a revelation might improve the chances of persuading them we're right!
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Well at least you are honest about it! Actually, this conversation has changed my mind, I think Timmy made some good points. The few things that I reserved as being of God, most likely were products of my own brain.
Is that better? Is it better for me to believe nothing, rather than something that differs from your beliefs?
I have never understood how a group of people that preach that receiving the holy Ghost is so all fire important at the same time secretly think it useless.
Michlow, I am sorry if I get frustrated with you. I only wish you the best. I don't think your experience with God is useless. I just don't believe your experience with God can be contrary to the bible. My frustration is with your lack of belief in the bible. Please think about this. If the bible isn't true, then God would have to reveal himself to everyone personally. How is humanity to be saved without the scriptures? What other vehicle is there? I know you disagree with things like killings in the OT, but what is there in the NT that you find objectionable? please respond to all of my points.
Michlow, I am sorry if I get frustrated with you. I only wish you the best. I don't think your experience with God is useless. I just don't believe your experience with God can be contrary to the bible. My frustration is with your lack of belief in the bible. Please think about this. If the bible isn't true, then God would have to reveal himself to everyone personally. How is humanity to be saved without the scriptures? What other vehicle is there? I know you disagree with things like killings in the OT, but what is there in the NT that you find objectionable? please respond to all of my points.
Humanity would not even need saving (more accurately, not get the idea that there is something to be saved from) without the Bible!
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Michlow, I am sorry if I get frustrated with you. I only wish you the best. I don't think your experience with God is useless. I just don't believe your experience with God can be contrary to the bible. My frustration is with your lack of belief in the bible. Please think about this. If the bible isn't true, then God would have to reveal himself to everyone personally. How is humanity to be saved without the scriptures? What other vehicle is there? I know you disagree with things like killings in the OT, but what is there in the NT that you find objectionable? please respond to all of my points.
Actually, the bolded is what I expect. Not a compilation of copies of copies of copies of letters translated from language to language, decided by the Council of Nicea... a group of men who didn't even have the Holy Ghost by all accounts (which seems to be the standard for being able to make these types of decisions).
Actually, the bolded is what I expect. Not a compilation of copies of copies of copies of letters translated from language to language, decided by the Council of Nicea... a group of men who didn't even have the Holy Ghost by all accounts (which seems to be the standard for being able to make these types of decisions).
there is a thread about the canon in the fellowship hall. I don't want to relitigate the canon in this thread, but like I asked Michlow, what exactly in the NT do you find objectionable?
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