Holy Ghost Hokey Pokey

[Sam]

Speaking of the Hokey Pokey,

here is a little bit of historical trivia

you may not have been aware of......





Larry LaPrise, the man who wrote "The Hokey Pokey," died peacefully at the age of 83.
The most traumatic part for his family was getting him into the coffin.
They put his left leg in. And then the trouble began …

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I don't get the impression that anyone is being manipulated here. Thad has a church that is always ready to worship.

Seriously? You can't see that he's running them up and down like a flag on pole.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm sorry, I forgot your post. LOL! No, she didn't say what night. Here are some of the comments.

Oh my goodness! lol

It's not IHOP, the person from Kansas City can relax....lol

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I don't see this type of manipulation on a regular basis, either. Usually people worship on their own, without someone whipping them into a frenzy. I have seen it, though.

Reminds me of this video posted by a relative of mine awhile back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQTjYWKwGl8

This video (and the one you posted) show people sort of copying the emotional aspects of a Pentecostal experience without God leading the process. It's just weird.

Ok, now as ridiculous as this video is the kids all look happy to me. I don't see any emotional trama or fear in this video that I have routinely seen at many pentecostal altar services. Sure the charismatics are just a little crazy but honestly looking at these videos which kids do you think are in worse shape.

Just look at this altar service that is very much like something I experienced hundreds of times growing up. Looking back I experienced lots of anxiety and fear during these times.

I just couldn't imagine allowing my child to participate in anything like this. I have been there many times myself as just a young child. As an adult I look back and shudder at having to go through something like this again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roxfftC_n8I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSiGIrdQwy0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWBezTE35P8

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Sam

Speaking of the Hokey Pokey,

here is a little bit of historical trivia

you may not have been aware of......





Larry LaPrise, the man who wrote "The Hokey Pokey," died peacefully at the age of 83.
The most traumatic part for his family was getting him into the coffin.
They put his left leg in. And then the trouble began …

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Ok, now as ridiculous as this video is the kids all look happy to me. I don't see any emotional trama or fear in this video that I have routinely seen at many pentecostal altar services. Sure the charismatics are just a little crazy but honestly looking at these videos which kids do you think are in worse shape.

Children crying tears of repentance and calling out to God isn't scary. Children thinking *God* is just a power they use to knock people over? That's scary.

Just look at this altar service that is very much like something I experienced hundreds of times growing up. Looking back I experienced lots of anxiety and fear during these times.

I just couldn't imagine allowing my child to participate in anything like this. I have been there many times myself as just a young child. As an adult I look back and shudder at having to go through something like this again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roxfftC_n8I

We don't share opinions and experiences on this issue. I wasn't traumatized as a child by being in the altar praying with other kids my age. My daughters received the Holy Ghost in the altar in a similar service. I have NO problem with people crying, praying, lifting their hands, calling out to God, speaking in tongues, repenting, etc. These are things that are biblical, and shouldn't be discouraged. Do people sometimes get out of hand and have I seen it? Yes and yes. Usually a wiser minister will step up and intervene if another minister or a saint takes a service in an unwise direction. I certainly don't see that type of intervention in Rob DeLuca's video--in fact, it looks like they don't even perceive anything is amiss. THAT is what scares me. Taking the gifts of God and "playing" with them or using them in some sort of demonstration of power? That scares me. Teaching other people how to get wrapped up in an emotional high and call it powerful? That scares me. People getting wrapped up in God and experiencing an emotional high as a result? Not scary.

Recently I read a definition of witchcraft that made a lot of sense to me. We aren't forbidden from accessing the spirit world. God just doesn't want us to *go there* without Him. Witchcraft is messing around with the spirit world and not including God in the picture. It's playing with the supernatural outside of His boundaries.

To me, these videos are close to that--people playing around with the supernatural and paying no heed to any boundaries God has set.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Children crying tears of repentance and calling out to God isn't scary. Children thinking *God* is just a power they use to knock people over? That's scary.



We don't share opinions and experiences on this issue. I wasn't traumatized as a child by being in the altar praying with other kids my age. My daughters received the Holy Ghost in the altar in a similar service. I have NO problem with people crying, praying, lifting their hands, calling out to God, speaking in tongues, repenting, etc. These are things that are biblical, and shouldn't be discouraged. Do people sometimes get out of hand and have I seen it? Yes and yes. Usually a wiser minister will step up and intervene if another minister or a saint takes a service in an unwise direction. I certainly don't see that type of intervention in Rob DeLuca's video--in fact, it looks like they don't even perceive anything is amiss. THAT is what scares me. Taking the gifts of God and "playing" with them or using them in some sort of demonstration of power? That scares me. Teaching other people how to get wrapped up in an emotional high and call it powerful? That scares me. People getting wrapped up in God and experiencing an emotional high as a result? Not scary.

Recently I read a definition of witchcraft that made a lot of sense to me. We aren't forbidden from accessing the spirit world. God just doesn't want us to *go there* without Him. Witchcraft is messing around with the spirit world and not including God in the picture. It's playing with the supernatural outside of His boundaries.

To me, these videos are close to that--people playing around with the supernatural and paying no heed to any boundaries God has set.

I agree with you that the videos are getting very close to areas of spiritualism that I wouldn't want to play around with. With the Pentecostal videos I do see sincere people who aren't playing around or making light of God's power.

When I left the UPC I didn't automatically change my mind on these things. For a long time I missed the "moves of God". What I loved about the UPC was the moves of God and the Holy Ghost power packed services we had.

My disconnect with the UPC at the time I was in was the Acts 2:38 or water/spirit doctrine of salvation. For a long time I thought we could make it work because I loved the movement.

It wasn't until I had been out of the UPC for about a year or two that I felt this peace of knowing I wouldn't have to deal with the altar calls anymore. I realized I could come to church and worship God without these things being expected.

A real breakthrough came when I saw videos like these above and I realized that neither I nor my children would ever have to be in a situation like that again and that is when I realized the fear that I had of those situations.

I have no doubt that many are sincere and love God but I see lots of fear on these children's faces and that makes me pause and try to think about these types of altar calls.

[Thumper]

That's what I love about this forum. Someone posts something crazy and goofy from a charasmatic and it turns into a great opportunity to hate the UPC and OTP.

No wonder so many refer to this forum as Apostate Friends Forum.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Thumper

That's what I love about this forum. Someone posts something crazy and goofy from a charasmatic and it turns into a great opportunity to hate the UPC and OTP.

No wonder so many refer to this forum as Apostate Friends Forum.

Just trying to point out that the pot is calling the kettle black.

The spirit in these charismatic churches are very close to many UPC churches.

I have been to AOG and COG churches where the same things happen and all in the name of getting more of the Holy Ghost and more power.

My pastor always says, "they are always preaching about power but power to do what?"

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Just trying to point out that the pot is calling the kettle black.

The spirit in these charismatic churches are very close to many UPC churches.

I have been to AOG and COG churches where the same things happen and all in the name of getting more of the Holy Ghost and more power.

My pastor always says, "they are always preaching about power but power to do what?"

You know what I do love though? Those places where the people use up the power they've got serving people, praying, loving each other and the world around them, and then the power of God falls all over them.