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Originally Posted by rdp
Gee, imagine another woman forcing Phoebe to be in the 5-fold ministry. Let's see, where to begin? For starters, I checked 8 translations to see what rendering these linguistical scholars [independent of one another] adopted of "helper". Virtually all of them have translated the word simply as "helper".
Then I checked Strong's & Vine's Greek expository dictionary of the term. The word simply denotes an assisstant, or a protectress [much like Rahab], but not one of these reputable Lexicons [which draws from BAGD & Thayer's, by the way] implies ministry in the sense of the 5-fold NT ministry. So, here we go again, back to the text which states absolutely nothing regarding Phoebe being a "preacher/teacher".
Ohhhhhh so much more to say, but your mind is set against the plain commands of I Tim. 2:11-15 & I Cor. 14:34, yet oddly enough, you have no problem understanding Mt. 28:19???? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. |
I agree. Here's the word used to describe Phoebe:
diakonoß Diakonos
one who executes the commands of another, esp. of a master, a servant, attendant, minister
the servant of a king
a deacon, one who, by virtue of the office assigned to him by the church, cares for the poor and has charge of and distributes the money collected for their use
a waiter, one who serves food and drink
In scripture, this word is translated as follows:
deacons (3 times), minister (7 times), servant (19 times)
Usage of the word:
Matthew 20:26
26 "It is not this way among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant,
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Matthew 22:13
13 "Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness ; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
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Matthew 23:11
11 "But the greatest among you shall be your servant.
(same accounts in Mark)
John
5 His mother said to the servants, "Whatever He says to you, do it."
John 2:9
9 When the headwaiter tasted the water which had become wine, and did not know where it came from (but the servants who had drawn the water knew ), the headwaiter called the bridegroom,
John 12:26
26 "If anyone serves Me, he must follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also ; if anyone serves Me, the Father will honor him.
Romans 13:4
4 for it is a
minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid ; for it does not bear the sword for nothing ; for it is a
minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
Romans 15:8
8 For I say that Christ has become a
servant to the circumcision on behalf of the truth of God to confirm the promises given to the fathers,
Romans 16:1
Greetings and Love Expressed
1 I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea ;
BUt the LORD also calls Paul and Apollos "servants"
5 What then is Apollos ? And what is Paul ? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave opportunity to each one.
2 Corinthians 3:6
6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit ; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2 Corinthians 6:4
4 but in everything commending ourselves as servants of God, in much endurance, in afflictions, in hardships, in distresses,
2 Corinthians 11:15
15 Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.
2 Corinthians 11:23
23 Are they servants of Christ ?-I speak as if insane -I more so ; in far more labors, in far more imprisonments, beaten times without number, often in danger of death.
Galatians 2
17 "But if, while seeking to be justified in Christ, we ourselves have also been found sinners, is Christ then a
minister of sin ? May it never be!
Ephesians 3
7 of which I was made a minister, according to the gift of God's grace which was given to me according to the working of His power
Ephesians 6
21 But that you also may know about my circumstances , how I am doing, Tychicus, the beloved brother and faithful minister in the Lord, will make everything known to you.
Philippians 1
Paul and Timothy, bond-servants of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, including the overseers and
deacons :
7 just as you learned it from Epaphras, our beloved fellow bond-servant, who is a faithful servant of Christ on our behalf,
Colossians 1:23
23 if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.
Colossians 1:25
25 Of this church I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God bestowed on me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God,
Colossians 4:7
7 As to all my affairs, Tychicus, our beloved brother and faithful servant and fellow bond-servant in the Lord, will bring you information
8 Deacons likewise must be men of dignity, not double-tongued, or addicted to much wine or fond of sordid gain,
1 Timothy 3:12
12
Deacons must be husbands of only one wife, and good managers of their children and their own households.
1 Timothy 4:6
A Good Minister's Discipline
6 In pointing out these things to the brethren, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, constantly nourished on the words of the faith and of the sound doctrine which you have been following.
How did Paul most use this word? What kind of people did he describe? Just questions to consider.
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