Can Women Pastor ?

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Well,,,we see things differently...I choose to leave the judging to the One who called...if HE called and He did and He sends me to hell...that is ok...for thousands will be saved because I obeyed his call...Please pray for me...

Yes and I suppose others that have gone on before you such
as
Sister Nona Freeman woman Apostle and great pioneer of many works in Africa. She put up gospel tents and preached many nights in dangerous places for Jesus.
Sister Carrie Eastridge woman missionary and mother of dear Sister Freeman.
Sister Agnes Rich (whom I counted very dear in this life.)
Sister Oma Ellis great woman Apostle who started many churches.
Sister Marie Lafleur a fantastic French woman Apostle who helped spread the
gospel among the Acadian's in Louisiana.
Sister Wilma Nix a great woman Apostle who brought the Gospel to places that barely had ever seen a white woman.


I am glad they answered the call and bore the example regardless of hatred,
hate mail or evil speaking against them.
Keep on Sister Alvear. Hell is too full and Heaven needs more saints than
it now possesses.

[Sister Alvear]

yes...I will keep on keeping on...

[Praxeas]

Being a Pastor is not the same as "exercising authority over".

You have to consider these verses in the context they are in.

Is this speaking of being a pastor? Then why not say "I do not allow a woman to pastor". But specifically this is a woman not having authority over a man, not over men and women in the church,

He begins with "But". That tells you this statement is related to a statement just made.

1Ti 2:11 A woman must learn quietly with all submissiveness.

What is significant of this is previously Jewish women were not allowed to go to synagogue and learn, only men were. So Paul is introducing a radical change in cultural thinking

Then Paul says "I permit"...this is peculiar because he is speaking as Paul. Notice in this place where Paul distinguishes between what he teaches and what is the Lord's teaching? 1Co 7:10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

But what is Paul permitting or not permitting here?

From the NET bible commentary
According to BDAG 150 s.αὐθεντέω this Greek verb means "to assume a stance of independent authority, give orders to, dictate to" (cf. JB "tell a man what to do").

So Paul is saying a woman should never assume a stance of independent authority, give orders or dictate to.

So presumably if that is someone's idea of what a Pastor is then yes she can't be a pastor....if that is really what a pastor is...a dictator

The nouns used here for women and men can be translated wife and husband too.

From what I understand in the synagogues only the men went and learned...in quite subjection. Paul broke this cultural norm and allowed women to learn too in quite subjection. In the synagogues the men would then come home to their wives and teach them.

So this doesn't seem to be addressing pastoring unless one believes pastoring is to give orders.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by DebraBunnyLuv

LOL, the 'women preacher thread' on another forum I belong too resulted in a bunch of (mostly) men conducting themselves in a (largely) unGodly manner. The thread was finally closed and the subject was banned from further discussion.

If a woman feels called to pastor it's not my job to sit in the cheap seat and judge her.

No, but we should judge everything we do as a church by the Word of God.

Though RDP comes off a little strong, he raises biblical points that need more than anecdotal responses.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rdp

That's what trinitaians say.........hmmmm.

What does that have to do with anything??????

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rdp

Pure philiosophical reasonong, not to mention the total eisegesis. Bauer's Lexicon states that it absolutely CANNOT be be known whether Junias was a man or woman. Curiously,the author above does not interact w/the fact that Junias is a 3rd declension Masculine noun, not feminine! This is because of his ignorance of the Greek.

Besides,why don't you paste his writings on the trinity doctrine??? Will you also believe him on that? Why not?

All of that and this is your tiny response? You aren't showing that you are taking people's responses serious. You just keep repeating the same stuff over and over. That's how you handle evidence?

[Jeffrey]

Hung over "offices" in the church. They can do this and this, but not the big P word, head honcho, big shot, tithe receiver... PASTOR

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rdp

Blessings anyway.

As one scholar among us told me recently, most who believe in women preachers in the church are unscholarly

There you go talking ignorance again. Shall I quote ALL the scholars that aren't anti-women teachers/preachers?

What a stupid thing to say. Shall we do an IQ test on all who are for and all who are against? Didn't think so...

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Being a Pastor is not the same as "exercising authority over".

You have to consider these verses in the context they are in.

Is this speaking of being a pastor? Then why not say "I do not allow a woman to pastor". But specifically this is a woman not having authority over a man, not over men and women in the church,

He begins with "But". That tells you this statement is related to a statement just made.

1Ti 2:11 A woman must learn quietly with all submissiveness.

What is significant of this is previously Jewish women were not allowed to go to synagogue and learn, only men were. So Paul is introducing a radical change in cultural thinking

Then Paul says "I permit"...this is peculiar because he is speaking as Paul. Notice in this place where Paul distinguishes between what he teaches and what is the Lord's teaching? 1Co 7:10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

But what is Paul permitting or not permitting here?

From the NET bible commentary
According to BDAG 150 s.αὐθεντέω this Greek verb means "to assume a stance of independent authority, give orders to, dictate to" (cf. JB "tell a man what to do").

So Paul is saying a woman should never assume a stance of independent authority, give orders or dictate to.

So presumably if that is someone's idea of what a Pastor is then yes she can't be a pastor....if that is really what a pastor is...a dictator

The nouns used here for women and men can be translated wife and husband too.

From what I understand in the synagogues only the men went and learned...in quite subjection. Paul broke this cultural norm and allowed women to learn too in quite subjection. In the synagogues the men would then come home to their wives and teach them.

So this doesn't seem to be addressing pastoring unless one believes pastoring is to give orders.

I think this is well-said.

Paul was progressively breaking down cultural norms and biases.
Good breakdown on "permit" too. I've read that before.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Its not what Paul wrote but how you are interpreting what Paul wrote through your own bias.

I see, so when he says "not with gold....and in modest apparel....". That clearly means what it says, but just 3 verses later when he says "I do not allow a woman to teach......", we need a special understanding to grasp the true meaning of his words....or else it's deemed as "bias"??????????????????

Not hardly.........................