Can Women Pastor ?

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by rdp

Oh, & by the way, YES, I've helped to lead some out of their "women preachers in the church" ideas & will continue to lovingly do so, since these precious souls have to stand before the same God who inspired I Tim. 2 & I Cor. 14:34 someday.

Unfortunately, one went back into the false doctrine [& caused much embarrassment to her family]...but, trust me, she's been trouble for at least 4 pastors that I personally know of. Her problem is that she has a problem staying in her place & loves the position of authority, which is NOT a woman's place in the NT church economy.

It seems now you are accusing Sister Alvear of being in false doctrine. Is this correct?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Ho-Hum someone else. You are not a nice individual and are very one sided in opinion. I hope you aren't any ones pastor. Learn to spell.

I see, you've NEVER hit a typo eh'??? I pastored for years & there wasn't hardly a dry eye in the church when I resigned. I may be taking another church soon....maybe, not sure!??

I try to be congenial to people, but when I spot clear false doctrine in the church, I rise up against it. I mean what part of "I do not allow a woman to teach, or to excercise authority over a man...." don't you understand????? Are you going to tell me that you can understand Mt. 28:19, but somehow can't comprehend "I do not allow......"??????????????????????????

I pray that you get honest w/ God's Holy Word.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

It seems now you are accusing Sister Alvear of being in false doctrine. Is this correct?

Quite simply women preachers in the church is a false doctrine & diametrically opposed to the clear language of I Tim. 2:11-15 & I Cor. 14:34.

I've repeatedly said that I honor Sis. Alvear for her sacrificial spirit, this is not an endorsemsnt of her every doctrine. But, to satisfy your mind, I believe that the only way to Biblical salvation is Acts 2:38/Jn. 3:5. I believe in ONE God, w/ no "distinction of 3-divine persons" in the Godhead, etc.

[rdp]

Have to go until tommorrow................blessings!

[Trouvere]

I disagree with you Brother. It is not false doctrine for women to preach or teach. In fact
Paul encouraged them as well as Peter to prophesy.


BTW do you believe the Bible teaches team ministry or the one pastor in the pulpit thing?

When the Bible says go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel that includes all
disciples including women.

If you argue that its not to be done in church then lay off because Sister Alvear
preached her first sermon in Brazil out under a tree.

We have to teach the whole Bible not just our favorite parts that agree
with our own philosophies of men.

Who was the book of 1 John written to? Consider it is you who may be preaching the
wrong conclusion.

Most of the Apostle Paul's sermons I gather from reading the New Testament were never
preached in what we call a traditional church. They were in Synagogues or houses etc.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

I disagree with you Brother. It is not false doctrine for women to preach or teach.

Sorry, the Bible says just the opposite in I Tim. 2 & I Cor 14. I'll stick w/ the Book!

In fact
Paul encouraged them as well as Peter to prophesy.

And prophecy is not a sermon from the Scriptures to a congregation of believers, as Strong's/Vine's/Thayer will quickly demonstrate.


BTW do you believe the Bible teaches team ministry or the one pastor in the pulpit thing?

A local church body does not have 2 heads. God is not the author of confusion.

When the Bible says go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel that includes all
disciples including women.

Being a soul winner is not the same thing as delivering sermons from the Authoritative Word of God to believers. I Tim. 2 & I Cor. 14 is dealing w/ church order, not soul winning as Mt. 28 is. You're meshing contexts.

If you argue that its not to be done in church then lay off because Sister Alvear
preached her first sermon in Brazil out under a tree.

I will not allow ANYONE to propogate a false teaching IN THE CHURCH. Besides, she came after me, not vise-versa, so maybe you should counsel her...not me!

We have to teach the whole Bible not just our favorite parts that agree
with our own philosophies of men.

Now we're getting somewhere....including the very plain language of I Tim. 2 & I Cor. 14:34! Will you take your own advice?

Who was the book of 1 John written to? Consider it is you who may be preaching the
wrong conclusion.

Then deal w/ the very plain language of I Tim. 2! Demostrate how I'm in error instead of making unsupported assertions.

Most of the Apostle Paul's sermons I gather from reading the New Testament were never
preached in what we call a traditional church. They were in Synagogues or houses etc.

The church is simply the congregation of saved folks...not lost sinners. Buildings have nothing to do w/ the believers who have obeyed Acts 2:38. But, can you provide me just one single verse where a woman ever preached sermons to believers out of the Scriptures:____________? Yes, I can show where men did...before you ask!

Absolutely HAVE to run 'till 2mmorrow. Blessings................

[Trouvere]

If prophecy is not a sermon from the scriptures then why do you stand behind a pulpit and deliver a sermon from the scriptures in a church that is paying you money?

When did the pulpit come into play?
When did the building come into play?
When did the suit and tie etc and current roles being propagated in many
churches come into play?
False doctrine?
When did the Apostles do this?
I wonder if they ever took up an offering since Paul asked the church to lay aside
things for his coming. I never saw where a basket was passed around unless fish and
bread were being given out?
Be honest about what is and isn't false doctrine.
Is it possible you are seeing it only from your point of view? Or world view?
hum......interesting.....
Examine more than a dear lady who is preaching and teaching strangers the Gospel.

[Sister Alvear]

Dear Sister:
I am so sorry that opinions differ...however I have pages and pages of historial proof in my things but it would be useless because our brother will never agree...It is a waste of time...I am sure he is sincere and I know you are sincere becauseI know you and the terrible trials you have been through to hold up the name of Jesus.

I too am sincere...every peice of evidence that has been uncovered has proved Acts 8 that both men and women went everywhere and preached...so I will do whatever I can in the little time that remains for me...eternity will tell...there is no use of becoming bitter enemies over this subject...I am sure if he pastors again I will never stand in his pulpit however I will walk through each door God opens...

There is not even much of a need for my ministry any more we have raised up so many preachers...I can mostly sit back and enjoy...but there was a time...

My dear brother must think I am in false doctrine...not long ago I spoke to one of my sons that made an opposite statement saying men that did not believe in women in ministry were in false doctrine...It is a serious thing to judge our brothers and sisters...

I chose to love even though we might not chose to be close friends...

By the way I have many friends that have strong opinions on this subject...I just think some things we just have to leave in he hands of a just God...

Just like wine and grapejuice......and a hundred other things...

[Trouvere]

Dear Sister Alvear you have a very sweet spirit. I love you. I know that Jesus does call and use women to preach this gospel. Its a good thing you had such good examples set before you. Jesus bless you.

[Sister Alvear]

Thank you, I had and have a good example to follow...Mother AO Holmes...she has always been in my life...such an angel.