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Barb · #**151** 01-16-2010, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Light

#1 I am not God so I will not say one way or the other on a saint but I will say the man or woman that teaches one is saved at repentance won't. They are responsible for what they teach.

#2 Yes sister it is far worse doctrine. There have been many who have died thinking they were saved and never were baptized or received the HG. What makes it worse is they might have gone on and obeyed acts 2:38 if someone with a backbone would have told them it was necessary.

Do you know, personally know anyone who is an Apostolic '1-stepper' who doesn't preach baptism in the Name, and Spirit infilling?

I don't think I've met any here, and as a matter of fact, the '1-steppers' I have met on forums baptize more than some others...

Just an observation from a '3-stepper'...

missourimary · #**152** 01-16-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Light

#1 I am not God so I will not say one way or the other on a saint but I will say the man or woman that teaches one is saved at repentance won't. They are responsible for what they teach.

#2 Yes sister it is far worse doctrine. There have been many who have died thinking they were saved and never were baptized or received the HG. What makes it worse is they might have gone on and obeyed acts 2:38 if someone with a backbone would have told them it was necessary.

I've been a three stepper for 19 years... but this statement makes me very sad. I think you may be misunderstanding one steppers, but even if not...

I should have added one more question, I suppose... do you believe that only those baptized in Jesus' name will go to Heaven, or will those baptized in the titles be there too?

If your answer is yes, my understanding from your answers would be that you would prefer them never to hear about Jesus' name baptism than to hear it but put it off because they think there is time to be baptized later.

And besides, if a onestepper wanted you to come preach, you wouldn't? If you went, you could encourage any who hadn't been baptized to be baptized-but you won't go? Tell the preacher you're a three stepper and that you would encourage people to be baptized and preach the Holy Ghost fire down. If he says he won't have that at his church, then ok, don't go. But if the person trusted you to preach in the right spirit and told you to go ahead and come, why not?

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Originally Posted by Barb

Do you know, personally know anyone who is an Apostolic '1-stepper' who doesn't preach baptism in the Name, and Spirit infilling?

I don't think I've met any here, and as a matter of fact, the '1-steppers' I have met on forums baptize more than some others...

Just an observation from a '3-stepper'...

Light · #**153** 01-18-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Barb

Do you know, personally know anyone who is an Apostolic '1-stepper' who doesn't preach baptism in the Name, and Spirit infilling?

I don't think I've met any here, and as a matter of fact, the '1-steppers' I have met on forums baptize more than some others...

Just an observation from a '3-stepper'..

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Yes I know someone on this board that believes it doesn't matter how you are baptized who are 1 steppers. There are 1 steppers on this board who teach that there will be people in heaven who have never spoken in tongues from this dispensation. There are 1 steppers on this board who say one doesn't have to be baptized in Jesus name or speak in tongues to go to heaven.

Because a 1 stepper baptizes more than someone else doesn't mean anything.

For example if one eats the right food one lives a healthy life. Now add just a small amount of arsenic to that healthy food and before long the person is no longer healthy. Most die. The same with spiritual food just add a little lie as you follow through with some truth, people die a spiritual death.The young that are taught this lie grow up and teach the same lie. The lie that most 1 steppers tell is one is saved at repentance. One can tell some of the truth but if a lie is added then all that is said is tainted. To teach one is saved at repentance is a lie.

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Originally Posted by missourimary

I should have added one more question, I suppose... do you believe that only those baptized in Jesus' name will go to Heaven, or will those baptized in the titles be there too?

There will be no one in heaven that has not obeyed Acts 2:38 who do not speak in tongues as evidence of receiving the the Holy Ghost

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Originally Posted by missourimary

If your answer is yes, my understanding from your answers would be that you would prefer them never to hear about Jesus' name baptism than to hear it but put it off because they think there is time to be baptized later.

I don't know where you come up with this question. I'm sorry but I don't understand it. Why would I want someone to never hear about Jesus name baptism???????????

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Originally Posted by missourimary

And besides, if a one stepper wanted you to come preach, you wouldn't? If you went, you could encourage any who hadn't been baptized to be baptized-but you won't go? Tell the preacher you're a three stepper and that you would encourage people to be baptized and preach the Holy Ghost fire down. If he says he won't have that at his church, then ok, don't go. But if the person trusted you to preach in the right spirit and told you to go ahead and come, why not?

Why is it if one teaches Acts 2:38 must be obeyed completely you automatically assume they are not in the right spirit?

missourimary · #**154** 01-18-2010, 12:50 PM

I didn't assume that. I'm three step!! It was meant to be a positive statement. A pastor disagrees with your methodology but trusts and respects you enough to ask you to come preach anyway, so why wouldn't you? Whether it was a trinity church or a one step church, why not go and preach if they asked you?

pelathais · #**155** 01-18-2010, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother David

I am curious why you denied saying that earlier.

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Originally Posted by Light

I have never said or even hinted that I believe the damming doctrine that is subscribe to by many on this site. I have never once said one can go to heaven without the name of Jesus in baptism, with out the Holy Ghost by the evidence of speaking in tongues.

There are those that say they believe Acts 2:38, that each step must be obeyed, that one must speak in tongues to go to heaven yet they will run with any dog that will trot. I remember Sammie Kline a powerful man of God. A man that would say be healed and right before your eyes the person would be healed. I am not talking about headaches but tumors as big as basketballs, arms crooked and drawn straighten right before our eyes. A man who stopped preaching the truth because there was not enough money.He began going to easy believe, saved at repentance churches for money.
I'm sorry I refuse to prostitute my self for money or by compromise and worship with those that claim to be apostolic yet preach a different message than Peter preached.

Now I'm wondering why you appear to have forgotten what it was that you deny saying that you said at the first.

You said that the woman with no tongue and no lower jaw could NOT have received the Holy Ghost because she could not have spoeken in tongues.

When I reminded you of having said that, you denied it and said that I would not be able to produce your original post because you would never have said that. http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...&postcount=108

I then produced the post and your response was something like... "Yeah, I've said that all along."

I then asked why you denied having said that (in that post above) and you now say, "Nope, she's hell bound..."

Why did you deny sending her to hell in this post? Explain this post: http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...&postcount=108

Light · #**156** 01-18-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother David

Now I'm wondering why you appear to have forgotten what it was that you deny saying that you said at the first.

You said that the woman with no tongue and no lower jaw could NOT have received the Holy Ghost because she could not have spoeken in tongues.

When I reminded you of having said that, you denied it and said that I would not be able to produce your original post because you would never have said that. http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...&postcount=108

I then produced the post and your response was something like... "Yeah, I've said that all along."

I then asked why you denied having said that (in that post above) and you now say, "Nope, she's hell bound..."

Why did you deny sending her to hell in this post? Explain this post: http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...&postcount=108

This is the last time I will indulge your false claim against me. I said if she did not speak in tongues she did not have the Holy Ghost. You have a comprehension problem. Back you go on ignore.

pelathais · #**157** 01-18-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Light

This is the last time I will indulge your false claim against me. I said if she did not speak in tongues she did not have the Holy Ghost. You have a comprehension problem. Back you go on ignore.

Your own words confound you - and everybody else.

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Originally Posted by Light

Please show where I said that. You won't be able to so just leave me alone.