Can Women Pastor ?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The Bible does not prescribe for a woman to be used in the office of Pastor.

If a woman is there, it's hard to say she is being used by God in that role when God never ordained a woman to be Pastor.


So I am not sure who's using her if she's there.

For the ladies who do minister the Gospel of Christ, thank you.

I admit that I could have made the point above without being so abrasive.


My spirit behind the above post could not have been Christian.

Forgive my self-righteous carnality.


Lately, I've been eating my foot a whole lot on AFF.

[Sister Alvear]

well,I just got home from a marvelous service and heard one of my sons in the faith preach an awesome message..I am blessed.

[Sister Alvear]

shall we send the men back to waiting tables????(please this is only said joking do not swing your sword....ha...love everyone and even those that don´t believe in me...that is ok too...

[Sister Alvear]

Another woman who was serving as a pastor or evangelist was the woman John writes the book of 2 John to. He addresses her in Greek as "Eklektee kuria", the first word meaning "Chosen of God," Thayer's definition; and the second word, "Kuria" is the feminine form of "Kuros," which means "supreme in authority"16! John writes to her, "It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us." 2 John 1:4. "In the New Testament, pupils or disciples are called children of their teachers, because the latter by their instruction nourish the minds of their pupils and mould their characters"17. Her "children" are as John's "children" in 3 John 1:4, they are her converts to the truth. Again in verse five he refers to her again as "kuria", such a high feminine title of respect that it is used only these two places in the entire New Testament! She was "beloved" "by all who know the truth" and "supreme in authority"! He warns her of a certain deceiver, "do not take him into your house" as her house was obviously a church meeting place. She was clearly a woman John highly regarded and greatly respected. She may have been the apostle Junia once imprisoned with Paul, Romans 16:7, as her actual name is never given. Did John carefully hide her real name, the names of the brethren, and the location of the church because the Roman authorities were searching for her and her converts? At the close of 2 John Paul also mentions, "the children of your chosen (or elect) sister send their greetings" which indicates a second woman chosen by God in an ecclesiastical sense.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Another woman who was serving as a pastor or evangelist was the woman John writes the book of 2 John to. He addresses her in Greek as "Eklektee kuria", the first word meaning "Chosen of God," Thayer's definition; and the second word, "Kuria" is the feminine form of "Kuros," which means "supreme in authority"16! John writes to her, "It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us." 2 John 1:4. "In the New Testament, pupils or disciples are called children of their teachers, because the latter by their instruction nourish the minds of their pupils and mould their characters"17. Her "children" are as John's "children" in 3 John 1:4, they are her converts to the truth. Again in verse five he refers to her again as "kuria", such a high feminine title of respect that it is used only these two places in the entire New Testament! She was "beloved" "by all who know the truth" and "supreme in authority"! He warns her of a certain deceiver, "do not take him into your house" as her house was obviously a church meeting place. She was clearly a woman John highly regarded and greatly respected.

WOW! What a theological leap, to call this woman a "Pastor or evangelist." Say what??????? Where does ANY text state this:_________? If it's not stated in Scripture, then where did you come up w/ such an emphatical statement? Are we free to tamper w/ God's Holy Word like this? Sheesh...................Unbelievable!

She may have been the apostle Junia once imprisoned with Paul,

I have already shown you from the Greek that Junias was most likely a man. Regardless, this person was N-O-T an apostle [I can't believe that people actually make this claim]. Junias "was of note among the apostles." Where does the text say that Junias WAS an apostle:____________? It doesn't, & I'm astounded how some can make such emphatical asserrtions NEVER stated in God's Bible. Unreal!

Romans 16:7, as her actual name is never given. Did John carefully hide her real name, the names of the brethren, and the location of the church because the Roman authorities were searching for her and her converts? At the close of 2 John Paul also mentions, "the children of your chosen (or elect) sister send their greetings" which indicates a second woman chosen by God in an ecclesiastical sense.

Of course women are chosen of God....to be saved, not to violate I Tim. 2:11-15. But, while you're quoting from Thayer above, you may want to look into his definition for "prophecy." I assure you, you will not find expositions from Scripture. But what you will find is the lofty, spontaneuos uttering of God's plans [much like interpretations of tongues, w/out the tongue].

Oh well, at least I tried.

[simplyme]

Originally Posted by rdp

Of course women are chosen of God....to be saved, not to violate I Tim. 2:11-15. But, while you're quoting from Thayer above, you may want to look into his definition for "prophecy." I assure you, you will not find expositions from Scripture. But what you will find is the lofty, spontaneuos uttering of God's plans [much like interpretations of tongues, w/out the tongue].

Oh well, at least I tried.

You should know better.
Time is precious, quit wasting it (just a suggestion).

[Sister Alvear]

1 Cor. 12:4-11

4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit.

5 And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord.

6 And there are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all {persons}.

Here he teaches that both men and women are given manifestation of the Holy Spirit-- spiritual gifts-- for the benefit of the entire church, not just for their own benefit.

7 But to each one[ii] is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.

8 For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit;

9 to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,

10 and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another {various} kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues.

11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one[iii] individually just as He wills.

Paul is going out of his way to enforce that "each one" is given a spiritual gift/ role or part to play in God's Church. God gives these roles as He desires-- only God can decide what spiritual gift is given to each man and woman! Paul does not say anything to indicate that "these public roles are the male gifts, and these private roles are the female gifts" as some teach.

Paul is making it PLAIN that he does not wish to exclude anyone or anyone's spiritual gift, but verses 2 and 3 show us that someone-- possibly a woman-- has said, "Jesus be cursed", and this was not from God's Spirit! Paul warns them of the error of this message, yet also defends the rights of all true believers-- both male and female-- to participate in church services
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[Sister Alvear]

Paul writes, "For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted;" 1 Cor 14:31. Notice he doesn't say that all MEN may prophesy, but that ALL can prophesy if it is done "one by one". In verse 32 he adds that "the spirits of the prophets are subject to prophets.

You have said far fetched thingsabout prophecy....completly out of line with the Bible...Prophecy is to UTTER God´s word.

[Sister Alvear]

Women are given spiritual gifts by God to use for the common good of the people of God. Paul did not take away the right of women to use these spiritual gifts in services-- a woman with a gift of encouragement must be allowed to encourage. A woman with a gift of faith must be allowed to offer a prayer of faith. A woman with a word of wisdom must be allowed to publicly share her wisdom with the congregation. A woman with a musical gift must be allowed to lead joyful songs of praise. A woman with a gift of teaching must be allowed to teach truth. God does NOT limit His women. God sees women as equal to serve Him with whatever gifts He has given them to use for the common good.

If women are unable to participate during church services, then many are unable to contribute the gift God has given to them. Each spiritual gift is given for the benefit of the church as a whole-- the inability to participate in church services is like God giving a woman a beautifully wrapped, expensive gift--a present that would help her entire church-- and then telling her that she cannot open it! Would God do such a thing? No, He does not. Neither must men. To quote the words of Craig S. Keener, "...it is a dangerous thing to turn people from their call, or to oppose their call if it is genuinely from God.[xiii]

[Sister Alvear]

Jesus tells us "...whoever practices and teaches these commands (the Ten Commandments), will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matt. 5:19. Jesus put no gender restrictions on teaching, but said "whoever" and promises greatness for both men and women who teach the commandments. Women who practice and teach the Ten Commandments of God look forward to greatness! That is a promise from Jesus himself!

Paul was not in opposition to Jesus Christ! He was not dealing with dedicated Christian women teaching the true gospel-- he repeatedly praised such women! He was dealing with false teachers teaching myths and pagan ideas learned from the religion of Artemis and Gnostic false doctrines.

Jesus praised the woman of Samaria that publicly preached the words of Jesus to the men and women of her village. He did not tell her to stop teaching the men because she was a woman! Jesus praised her and told the disciples that they were harvesting where she had sowed. As a result, "Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman's testimony, ...." John 4:39. Her public witness --her teaching-- resulted in conversions, and Jesus praised her and held her up as an example for the disciples!

The words of Jesus are clear commands for all of us to teach the true gospel, and we must never be misled by anyone who contradicts Jesus Christ