Can Women Pastor ?

[Sister Alvear]

am real busy right now..my office is full full of people..

[Trouvere]

I am reading Brother Verbal Beans work today on the Works of The Holy Ghost,
yesterday I read Sister Agnes Holmes book called Oceans of Blessings. If these things
were going on today in the churches then there would be less discussions like this one.
I have such a desire for old time apostolic services. I remember them but sadly our churches in America are not like what is described in these books

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

yes, she needs to be sat down...a lady must be a lady at all times...I think a lady can give a message from God in a lady like manner...call it preaching,testifying or whatever...


It makesme shiver and sweat at the same time to see a lady act man like...I feel horrible around ladies like that...

Aren't behaviors expected of women culturally shaped?

[Sandy]

Originally Posted by rdp

Just curious, I personally know a lady preacher who gets up & spits & sputters, hollering & screaming while her husband sits out there tending to their little girl [talk about role reversals!?]. She says it's the "anointing," but, sorry, God does not "anoint" women to act like men.

I personally have only seen her testify, & it made me nauseated [as well as others], as I will not sit in a room where a woman gets up to "teach/preach" to men. But, let's just say I know this woman verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry well, since I used to pastor her.

What are your thoughts about women who acts like this? Do you not think this is improper behaviour? I have my own responses from a biblical perspective, but this thought just occurred to me.

Have to respond later, gotta' rum for now.

If I may interrupt your conversation one more time, I have a question about romping and stomping and spitting or whatever. Nor do I mean to change the subject either.

But do you believe it is anointed for a man to do the same thing? I know some do, and I may be wrong, but those men I have seen do what you seem to be describing this woman does, do not seem to be anointed when doing so IMO. But is mostly show in the first place. I am not talking about someone getting excited sometimes. But I knew this preacher that preached his entire sermon that way. In other words, sometimes I think they are copying what others do, instead of it having to do with any anointing at all, no matter who does it. At least like this preacher I knew would do. And not that he was not a wonderful person either. As he was. I just didn't care much for his preaching was all.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sandy

If I may interrupt your conversation one more time, I have a question about romping and stomping and spitting or whatever. Nor do I mean to change the subject either.

But do you believe it is anointed for a man to do the same thing? I know some do, and I may be wrong, but those men I have seen do what you seem to be describing this woman does, do not seem to be anointed when doing so IMO. But is mostly show in the first place. I am not talking about someone getting excited sometimes. But I knew this preacher that preached his entire sermon that way. In other words, sometimes I think they are copying what others do, instead of it having to do with any anointing at all, no matter who does it. At least like this preacher I knew would do. And not that he was not a wonderful person either. As he was. I just didn't care much for his preaching was all.

Would like to stay on topic as much as possible, but will briefly respond. I agree that many men seem to mimic others whom the Spirit may have prompted to preach under such an anointing. But, It's as plain as day when they're doing this. I know an evangelist who starts this when he takes his text??? Sorry, but I can't stand this kind of showmanship. It's a learned behaviour pattern.

But the Bible explicitly states that women are to have a "quiet and meek spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price." Personally, I run from loud people [men or women].

[Sneekee]

One day when the Holy Ghost moved on me, I rolled me up a wad of chewin baccy and went to town!

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

I am reading Brother Verbal Beans work today on the Works of The Holy Ghost,
yesterday I read Sister Agnes Holmes book called Oceans of Blessings. If these things
were going on today in the churches then there would be less discussions like this one.
I have such a desire for old time apostolic services. I remember them but sadly our churches in America are not like what is described in these books

OH, what a preacher Sister Agnes Holmes has been! Such a role model for ladies four day...I was blessed to grow up hearing her preach...

[Sister Alvear]

God's true ministers are the ones to which we are to submit as the Scripture says, "Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account..." (Hebrews 13:17).

"Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble" (I Peter 5:5).

The command here to submit unto the elder is not referring to what we generally term as elders in the church, but rather to those who are older and more knowledgeable in the Lord. Elder women are used of the Lord to help guide young Christians, male or female, as it certainly does not make sense for a young male convert to instruct a woman who has walked with the Lord for many years, simply because he is of male sex. The Word of God demands respect for the elders, male and female. "Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren; The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity" (I Timothy 5:1-2).

[Sister Alvear]

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son.
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
21 By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.
22 By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompense of the reward.
27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.

[Sister Alvear]

Sara´s name is right there...