Can Women Pastor ?

[Sister Alvear]

Women like men can pray and prophesy in the congregation. By prophesying, Paul meant intelligible preaching that built up the faith of the church. HOW CAN PROPHECY GIVEN BY A WOMAN FULFILL WHAT PROPHECY IS INTENDED FOR?
When tradition hinders or prevents the work of Christ, it is necessary to alter that tradition. The perpetuation of a tradition that no longer serves humanity but dictates to how one should do something then thwarts the purposes of God’s church. It is then the tradition is in conflict with the will of God.

[Sister Alvear]

Paul gave all permission to speak in his universal rule, the Bible says, for ye may all prophecy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. The word silence means in the text in I Corinthians in the Greek, absolute silence, and not a reverence type silence. It means no sound so that would mean no singing, no testifying, no way to operate the spiritual gifts, no preaching, of course not receiving the Holy Ghost, for there is no way to receive it without speaking in tongues. O Consistency, thou art a jewel!

[Sister Alvear]

If we want to use I Corinthians 14:34, Let the women keep silence, and forbid one half of the human family forever from proclaiming the gospel of Jesus Christ, why not let other expressions like Habakkuk 2:20 silence the other half. It says: Let all the earth keep a silence before him. Jeremiah 8:14, God hath put us to silence. Zechariah 2:13, "Be silent, O all flesh before the Lord."

and that is enough for the night...

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by rdp

What does all of this have to do w/ God-Breathed Scriptural instructions to the Church? And, again, you seem big on supposed Church history, most of which is trinitarian [will you also champion their cause?].

I've observed this over the years w/ women preachers, they invariably ALWAYS appeal outside of the Word of God to "confirm" their doctrine. Why? Because the hot light of Scripture will reveal their flawed theology, thus they have to go somewhere else to "confirm" their doctrine.

YOU HAVE OBSERVED WITH WOMEN PREACHERS...LOL...I KNOW LOT´S OF MALE PREACHERS THAT USE HISTORY TO PROVE THINGS...


have you forgotton our BIBLES were translated by trinitarians????
and do you know that the Portuguese Bible reads different than your English Bible on many occasions?


I AM no Bible teacher...however I am a history teacher.



Acts 18:24-26 (King James Version)

24And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

25This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly...


Priscilla was well versed in scriptures and helped expoud the word of GOD TO A MAN....

Paul never rebuked her for that but called her Prisca..


Noticeably, Paul refers to neither Prisca nor Junia as “wives.” Paul greets this couple of Priscilla and Aquilla because of “their work for the gospel.” Romans 16:3, “Greet Priscilla and Aquilla, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus. They risked their lives for me (NIV).” Paul doesn’t differentiate between Priscilla and her husband Aquilla; rather, he calls them both by the name sunergous (Strongs #4904 meaning fellow worker with him).[xiv] Later in 16:21, Paul calls Timothy by the same name. In Phil.2:4 Paul calls all apostles who were his co-workers, among whom was Luke, by this same word.[xv]

Paul later referred to this couple as his, “helpers in Christ Jesus… who have for my life laid down their own necks” (Rom. 16:4). Paul probably wrote some of his Epistles from their home at Ephesus. Priscilla and Aquilla instructed Appolos, who was already “mighty in the scriptures” (Acts 18:24), into a more excellent way.

Paul mentions the name of Priscilla (Prisca) before her husband, which was against the common practice of the time. (The King James Version actually reverses the Greek order by placing Aquilla before Priscilla, but in the Greek text Priscilla is the first noted, as also in Acts 18:26.)



On and on we could go on...but you make light of everything I say...so we will never agree...like I said it is best to stop because you will never convince me women have no part in the ministry because they do...

Histroy proves there were far more women that went to foreign fields at certain times than men to be missionaries. We personally raised 5 children that their mother was martyed in Paraguay for preaching...

I personally have never used the term that God called me to preach but HE did call me to be a missionary...and if I do not obey HIS call I will be lost...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

The Authorized King James Version is an English translation of the Christian Bible begun in 1604 and completed in 1611 by the Church of England.[3] Printed by the King's Printer, Robert Barker,[4] the first edition included schedules unique to the Church of England; for example, a lectionary for morning and evening prayer.[5] This was the third such official translation into English; the first having been the Great Bible commissioned by the Church of England in the reign of King Henry VIII, and the second having been the Bishop's Bible of 1568.[6] In January 1604, King James I of England convened the Hampton Court Conference where a new English version was conceived in response to the perceived problems of the earlier translations as detected by the Puritans, a faction within the Church of England.[7]

James gave the translators instructions intended to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its beliefs about an ordained clergy. The translation was by 47 scholars, all of whom were members of the Church of England.


DOESN´T SOUND LIKE THEY WERE ONENESS PENTECOSTAL...

I know this, but I'm not clear on your point since even though they were trinitarian, they were still faithful to the text that they had in those days.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Your problem seems to be in a church building...

First off, I don't have a "problem" except w/ doctrines contrary to plain Scripture. Secondly, I do not equate the Ecclesia w/ the building AT ALL.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

The Bible tells about women used in leadership and their proclamation of faith. There have always been women who transcended the boundaries that their society placed upon them. There have always been women whose faith motivated them to acts of courage and to powerful ministries that made them known and felt. These stories teach us undeniable truth.

Still appeals outside of the Biblical texts Sister. Waiting on you to deal w/ the clear instructions to the Church via I Tim. 2 & I Cor. 14. Otherwise, I'm really not interested in all of these appeals outside of the written Word.

I mean that respectfully, of course!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Women like men can pray and prophesy in the congregation. By prophesying, Paul meant intelligible preaching that built up the faith of the church. HOW CAN PROPHECY GIVEN BY A WOMAN FULFILL WHAT PROPHECY IS INTENDED FOR?
When tradition hinders or prevents the work of Christ, it is necessary to alter that tradition. The perpetuation of a tradition that no longer serves humanity but dictates to how one should do something then thwarts the purposes of God’s church. It is then the tradition is in conflict with the will of God.

I couldn't agree more regarding your take on "tradition which is contrary to the will of God"......which is precisely the reason that I take a Biblical stand against women preachers in the church!

Still waiting for the Biblical example of a woman who "preached" to the church, otherwise it's unbiblical "tradition". Especially when we have very clear Scripture against this practice.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Paul gave all permission to speak in his universal rule, the Bible says, for ye may all prophecy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. The word silence means in the text in I Corinthians in the Greek, absolute silence, and not a reverence type silence. It means no sound so that would mean no singing, no testifying, no way to operate the spiritual gifts, no preaching, of course not receiving the Holy Ghost, for there is no way to receive it without speaking in tongues. O Consistency, thou art a jewel!

Context defines word usages, as any scholar knows. First off, no one is saying that women cannot prophesy, but prophecy IS NOT "preaching semons to the church," as you would seemingly have us to believe. Pls. show us this Biblical example of Prophecy:____________? It doesn't exist.

The context of I Cor. 14:34 is women taking the floor to "Lale'o/Speak"...which, as I've told you repeatedly, means "to say words, or to PREACH"! Of course she can pray, etc., but what she's forbidden to do here is "to preach"! Why do you simply disregard these Biblical commands?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

If we want to use I Corinthians 14:34, Let the women keep silence, and forbid one half of the human family forever from proclaiming the gospel of Jesus Christ, why not let other expressions like Habakkuk 2:20 silence the other half. It says: Let all the earth keep a silence before him. Jeremiah 8:14, God hath put us to silence. Zechariah 2:13, "Be silent, O all flesh before the Lord."

and that is enough for the night...

I Cor 14:34 is speaking to the NT church [which we're a part of], not Habbakuk, Jeremiah, or Zechariah.