Can Women Pastor ?

[Sister Alvear]

Notice that singing, prophesying, testimony, prayer, announcements, dramatization or even scripture reading is done by by women in most american churches we visit...



Most men read books by women authors...if I did not believe in them I sure would not read a book by them...


just scatttered thoughts...as I am in and out of the church office..in just a few minutes I was asked to speak at ladies service here...


one other thing...Peter sheds further light on the priesthood.1 Peter 2:9 (New King James Version)
9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;



... Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron - Exodus 15:20
Miriam was a prophetess.

So Hilkiah the priest, Ahikam, Achbor, Shaphan, and Asaiah went to Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe. (She dwelt in Jerusalem in the Second Quarter.) And they spoke with her. Then she said to them, "Thus says the LORD God of Israel, 'Tell the man who sent you to Me, "Thus says the LORD..." - 2 Kings 22:14-16
Huldah was a prophetess.

Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, was judging Israel at that time. And she would sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the mountains of Ephraim. And the children of Israel came up to her for judgment. Then she sent and called for Barak the son of Abinoam from Kedesh in Naphtali, and said to him, "Has not the LORD God of Israel commanded, 'Go and deploy troops at Mount Tabor; - Judges 4:4-6
Deborah was a prophetess, a judge and the leader of all Israel.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

lol...


Scriptures nowhere forbid a woman to preach specifically, regardless of the age, sex, or number of hearers or the place of the preaching.
Paul said she could pray and prophesy/teach (1 Cor. 11, 14),

Acts 8 taught both men and women went everywhere preaching the gospel...

I don´t think we will agree so I am not the type to fuss with you or anyone...I PERSONALLY have never BEEN ORDAINED neither do I see a need to be however as long as I am able I will do anything I can to further the work of the LORD.

AND I SURE AM NOT WANTING TO PASTOR....

I remember when BRAZIL was much darker...my voice however feeble it has been made a difference...lots of times in my life the dread of people not believing in what I was doing made my stomach go into knots...but today I REST ASSURED IN THE FACT JESUS called AND I answered...

Your statement above that "Scripture nowhere forbid a woman to preach specifically" & "Paul said she could 'teach'" is absolutely unbelievable.

"I do not allow a woman to teach, or to excercise authority over a man." "Let your women keep silent in the church, for they are not permited to speak." The Greek word for speak here is "Lale'o" defined as "to utter words, PREACH." [Strong's, etc.]. Can a woman receive the Holy Spirit/pray in church? Of course she can. So, what's our only other alternative by way of definition? LOL indeed!

The Acts 8 argument is just downright silly, since the women were "in prison"! How could they go "everywhere" from a jail cell?

Sis. Alvear, I've tried to be respectful to you, since I honor your willingness to sacrifice for the sake of others, but you've been quite scornful to me repeatedly. Very sad in the face of plain Scriptural injunctions. Strange that you don't relegate Paul's injuction for women to dress in modest apparel to the "home life"! Or, his teachings on cut hair, etc., etc.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Timothy 2
11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

This is the scripture in Tim.




Sounds like you have the idea of Aquinas, who adopted Greek philosophy as "natural truths" and quickly affirmed "the class system of medieval society, the paternalistic pattern of family life, and the authority of ecclesiastical leaders and nobility. Aquinas could not conceive of woman being equal to man, either before or after the fall of the first couple in Eden. He agreed with Aristotle that woman 'is defective and misbegotten.'"


I think there is balance...in everything...I am not in favor of loud abrasive women...but to say a woman has no place in ministry is to deny the Bible...

Quotaions from Aquinas have no bearing on Scriptural truth, so I really do not care to interact w/ him!

But I will address your I Tim. angle, since that's all that's really important. Of course women are now saved thru child bearing, since she's the cause of initail death, she now brings forth life thru child bearing. And this proves "women preachers".........how????

And your implication that because of the definite article "the" preceding the term "Man" that this is referring to a husband is greatly flawed. Esp. since the definite article does not appear in the Greek manuscripts that we have, & is only found in the KJV. Invariably, all other reputable/literal translations contain the indefinite article "a man," as do the Greek manuscripts. So, the point is entirely moot. But, what do you do w/ "A woman" in the same verse? If "the man" [KJV] means the husband, then who is "A woman"???? Pls. don't appeal to "Gune'" since it's the same word used in vs. 9, etc. And, does this mean that only single women can "preach"???

To say that women are Biblically qualified to be "preachers" in the church, is to outright tamper w/ God's Written Word. Scary, very scary............

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Priscilla is seen in Scripture helping her husband teach Apollos the way of God more perfectly (Acts 18:24-26).

On the day of Pentecost God did not keep His women silent!

Women were praying and prophesying during services, 1Cor 11:5...

Pls. provide for us the Biblical example of women "preaching" at Pentecost:____________?

Prophecy is NOT a sermon from the Scriptures to a church congregation, either by definition, or Biblical example. This is found only in the imaginations of people who simply want it to be so!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I SAID

If they had been OUT of their place God would have never sent the revival to the LEVITICAL PREISTHOOD OR CURSED MEROZ FOR NOT HELPING DEBORAH IN BATTLE.

I did not say she was a part of the L.P. WHAT SHE SAID BROUGHT REVIVAL...

Jeremiah AND Zephaniah were both alive IF my memory is correct (don´t have time to look it up) at the time Huldah gave the THUS SAITH THE LORD…TO KING AND PRIESTS…

You're not answering my question. Where is it recorded that these women "preached" to these men, or church congregations, or anyone else for that matter:____________?

Of course prophecy is prefaced w/ "Thus saith the LORD,...." But how many sermons are? Virtually NONE, why? Because "prophecy" is not the same as delivering sermons.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

The Babylonian Talmud IS very much against women but not the Bible...I Have sit in services and listened to men go on and on saying horrible things about women and their place...

No, the Bible is NOT against women, just women in the 5-fold ministry stepping outside of their God-given place as clearly set forth in Scripture {I Tim. 2, I Cor. 14:34}.

Not sure why you keep appealing to the OT, since we're no longer under the Mosaic Law, but rather under the NT church economy & the very plain instructions to the church as set forth in the epistles.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Notice that singing, prophesying, testimony, prayer, announcements, dramatization or even scripture reading is done by by women in most american churches we visit...



Most men read books by women authors...if I did not believe in them I sure would not read a book by them...


just scatttered thoughts...as I am in and out of the church office..in just a few minutes I was asked to speak at ladies service here...


one other thing...Peter sheds further light on the priesthood.1 Peter 2:9 (New King James Version)
9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;



... Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron - Exodus 15:20
Miriam was a prophetess.

So Hilkiah the priest, Ahikam, Achbor, Shaphan, and Asaiah went to Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe. (She dwelt in Jerusalem in the Second Quarter.) And they spoke with her. Then she said to them, "Thus says the LORD God of Israel, 'Tell the man who sent you to Me, "Thus says the LORD..." - 2 Kings 22:14-16
Huldah was a prophetess.

Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, was judging Israel at that time. And she would sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the mountains of Ephraim. And the children of Israel came up to her for judgment. Then she sent and called for Barak the son of Abinoam from Kedesh in Naphtali, and said to him, "Has not the LORD God of Israel commanded, 'Go and deploy troops at Mount Tabor; - Judges 4:4-6
Deborah was a prophetess, a judge and the leader of all Israel.

Writing something down is not the same as "preaching/Teaching" in a church setting, which is the plain contexts of I Tim. 2 & I Cor. 14. "These things I write unto you that you may know how to behave yourself IN THE HOUSE OF THE LORD, WHICH IS THE CHURCH........" Sheesh, how many times do I have to quote this?

Still waiting on the Biblical example of a woman "preaching/teaching" to men:____________?

Priscilla was simply giving a home Bible study w/ her husband! Does this mean that everytime my wife & I guve a home Bible study.....she's now to be classified as a "preacher/teacher/evangelist" in the 5-fold ministry????????? This is grabbing at straws.

[Sister Alvear]

lol...go read acts 8...

[Sister Alvear]

not all women were in prison...go read again then please study history...


I am not scornful of you at all in my way of thinking...I cannot even imagine anyone fixing to burn choosing who is to save them from the flames of hell...
I am sorry if you think I am in any way disrespecting you or any man...

I believe in a literal burning hell and believe there is one way to be saved...if I had any doubt about what I believe I would be on my knees right now...


When Jesus said to preach the gospel to every creature He was looking down through time and saw our day and the masses of people that have never heard the Name of JESUS... it breaks my heart knowing of the millions that have never seen a Bible, never heard a hymn...and I plan to use the rest of my days doing what I have done for the last 41 years...


I know by heart all your positions and you know mine neither of us will change so it is really best to find some area where we agree and be friends...


You put up with me and I will put up with you... ha... let´s be friends even though we do not agree...

[Sister Alvear]

Dear One...I was in a church where the pastor said...well we don´t believe in women preachers but Sister Janice is here so we want her to come up and prophecy for a while...
I just walked to the front and told them one of my missionary stories...