Can Women Pastor ?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I would think the other way around...but I AM NOT ONE TO ARGUE THE POINT....
I do not think you have written all I have said over the yers about women in ministry...and yes, maybe not on this thread but on hundreds of threads over the years I have answered...you may not have read it...

Anyway...rejoice...I just walked in the door and sat down here...tonight I was asked to teach a mormon family, a baptist family and a catholic family why we baptize in JESUS NAME... glad I accepted for they all asked to be baptized after class...I did not do the work...God did...so rejoice...for more names will be written in the book of heaven...

I simply allow the text to speak for itself, which is addressing Church order, just as it says. I have to have an honest heart w/ the Scriptures, for I must stand before God someday & HIS WORD will judge me according to Rev......not appeals that operate outside of & diametrically opposed to very plain Scripture.

Yes, I rejoice that false doctrinal systems are seeing the truth, & I wish there were more soul winners such as yourself. I Tim. 2 & I Cor. 14 are dealing w/ Church order, not witnessing.....so go get 'em!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

sorry...I have so little time...I do believe in headship however headship did not begin in the Cor. church...the man became the head only after the fall...not before...In the old testament both Deborah and HULDA were married yet both were used as the voice of God to a people...that does not mean they were ruling their husbands...

If they had been OUT of their place God would have never sent the revival to the LEVITICAL PREISTHOOD OR CURSED MEROZ FOR NOT HELPING DEBORAH IN BATTLE.

This is simply not true regarding Adam & Eve. Paul explicitly says that women are not to excercise authority over men because "Adam was FIRST formed, then Eve...." This is BEFORE the fall, not after.

Deborah & Huldah were not "Preachers/teachers" of the written Word of God....they simply Prophesied of God's future plans, just as the text says. Interesting that you mention the Levitical Priesthood, which was a foreshadow of the NT Ministry, where is the "woman priest":______________?

[rdp]

Very busy, will take me sometime to reply, if I can at all.

[Sister Alvear]

lol...


Scriptures nowhere forbid a woman to preach specifically, regardless of the age, sex, or number of hearers or the place of the preaching.
Paul said she could pray and prophesy/teach (1 Cor. 11, 14),

Acts 8 taught both men and women went everywhere preaching the gospel...

I don´t think we will agree so I am not the type to fuss with you or anyone...I PERSONALLY have never BEEN ORDAINED neither do I see a need to be however as long as I am able I will do anything I can to further the work of the LORD.

AND I SURE AM NOT WANTING TO PASTOR....

I remember when BRAZIL was much darker...my voice however feeble it has been made a difference...lots of times in my life the dread of people not believing in what I was doing made my stomach go into knots...but today I REST ASSURED IN THE FACT JESUS called AND I answered...

[Sister Alvear]

Timothy 2
11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

This is the scripture in Tim.




Sounds like you have the idea of Aquinas, who adopted Greek philosophy as "natural truths" and quickly affirmed "the class system of medieval society, the paternalistic pattern of family life, and the authority of ecclesiastical leaders and nobility. Aquinas could not conceive of woman being equal to man, either before or after the fall of the first couple in Eden. He agreed with Aristotle that woman 'is defective and misbegotten.'"


I think there is balance...in everything...I am not in favor of loud abrasive women...but to say a woman has no place in ministry is to deny the Bible...

[Sister Alvear]

To the woman He," being God, "...said, I will greatly multiply your pain..."

And the Hebrew text says: "...and childbirth. In pain you shall bring forth children. Yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you."

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by rdp

This is simply not true regarding Adam & Eve. Paul explicitly says that women are not to excercise authority over men because "Adam was FIRST formed, then Eve...." This is BEFORE the fall, not after.

Deborah & Huldah were not "Preachers/teachers" of the written Word of God....they simply Prophesied of God's future plans, just as the text says. Interesting that you mention the Levitical Priesthood, which was a foreshadow of the NT Ministry, where is the "woman priest":______________?

Just a thought here rdp. I will not argure at this point that the Livitical Priesthood are a forshadow of the ministry although I think they were a forshadow of Jesus. The Point here is where in OT are they given the authority over the rest of thier brethren that you discribe the ministry as having today?

[Sister Alvear]

Priscilla is seen in Scripture helping her husband teach Apollos the way of God more perfectly (Acts 18:24-26).

On the day of Pentecost God did not keep His women silent!

Women were praying and prophesying during services, 1Cor 11:5...

[Sister Alvear]

I SAID

If they had been OUT of their place God would have never sent the revival to the LEVITICAL PREISTHOOD OR CURSED MEROZ FOR NOT HELPING DEBORAH IN BATTLE.

I did not say she was a part of the L.P. WHAT SHE SAID BROUGHT REVIVAL...

Jeremiah AND Zephaniah were both alive IF my memory is correct (don´t have time to look it up) at the time Huldah gave the THUS SAITH THE LORD…TO KING AND PRIESTS…

[Sister Alvear]

The Babylonian Talmud IS very much against women but not the Bible...I Have sit in services and listened to men go on and on saying horrible things about women and their place...