Can Women Pastor ?

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rdp

How do I "continue to deny that Deborah exists," when I've repeatedly demonstrated to you that she did not "preach sermons," but rather prophesied of God's future plans??????????

Really, since we're presently in the church economy/age, this has little application to our present day topic. Not that it matters, since NOTHING is ever said about her being a "preacher"???

Yea', I'm really the "only one who believes that I Cor. 11 refers to Man & Woman......obviously the apostle Paul thought the same thing, since he wrote it!

Sheesh, it's even worse than I previously thought!

Let me trying helping on this one too: Deborah was a judge during the third apostasy (falling away from God). This is a time when Israel intermarried with other tribes, turned to pagan practices, and is in the context of a book filled with horrific tails of evil, and what happens when there is no godly leadership.

God tells Deborah to prophesy to her general of Israel's victory. None of thee women worked independently, like an Elijah or Elisha would have. Miriam, Ex 15:20; Huldah, 2 Ki 22:14-20 are other examples of prophetesses.

It seems God's use of Deborah is certainly unique, and instead of the others throwing her name out there as an "explain this," they must reconcile Jewish history concerning the role of women, as well as 3 very explicit (and sometimes details) instructions from Paul concerning women's role in worship. In the end, many agree women are to be used in the spiritual body, gifted and to participate. But how that fleshes itself out in proper order, is the real debate.

[Tim Rutledge]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Can females be used in the office of a Christian pastor and in Eldership roles ?
Yes or No ? What say ye ?

they do.. but its not right or scriptural. also doesn't mean their devils either.

[Sister Alvear]

Strange is the story of Hulda where both king and priests listen as she says, THUS SAITH THE LORD... many so called men would have turned her off before she uttered the word of the LORD...

[Sister Alvear]

In Psalms 68:11 reads the inspired Hebrew, as testified to by Dr. Clark, and the revised version:--"The Lord gave the word, and great was the army of those women that preached it."

[Sister Alvear]

In Micah 6:4 we have this language.--"For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt and redeemed thee out of the house of servants: and sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam." Miriam, without doubt was one of the divinely appointed leaders of the children of Israel, and closely associated with her brothers in both civil and ecclesiastical authority. For the record says "I have sent before thee Moses, Aaron and Miriam."

[Sister Alvear]

NOT ONLY DID MIRIAM sing and dance with the ladies she is called a Prophetess
Sanballat said to Nehemiah, "Thou hast also appointed Prophets to preach of thee at Jerusalem." Then according to Sanballat,t he first thing a Prophet is to do, is to preach for some one having been appointed to do so.
I Cor. 14:3,4, we have this concerning the work of a Prophet, "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation and comfort: But he that prophesieth edifieth the church."

Sounds like women were doing a little more than serving tea or knitting...even in a world that did not value women....

[Nitehawk013]

Even if you assume women were given allowance to lead and rule in the OT...we are dealing with the church in the NT. A church where Paul seems to tell women to not hold position over men and to even be quiet in church.

No offense, but it seems peopel are jumping to point out OT women or attempt to explian away some very clear and simple to understand words from Paul.

As Jeffrey asked, why not focus on better interpreattions of what Paul really mean in the Cor., Titus and Timothy letters? If he didn't really mean what he wrote...then explein what he really meant.

[Sister Alvear]

Well...I don't like to get involved in endless discussions however I personally believe Tim. was addressing THE WIFE of THE MAN...that is a homelife context...
I believe Cor. was due to a question or letter Paul had recieved otherwise he would be wrong having women that prophecy with him for prophecy IS FOR THE CHURCH...THE CHURCH INCLUDES BOTH SEXES...however those on this forum that know me KNOW I PERSONALLY SHY AWAY FROM PLATFORMS but I strongly believe women have a place in ministry...
I do not believe GOD lied to me calling me to be a missionary and then will send me to hell for obeying his call. I was woke up by him when I was 8 years old and HE called...it was not the type my dad was a preacher so he called me to ministry,,,my dad was a drunk...I don't ever even remember seeing or knowing what a missionary was...and not only did HE wake me up HE told me I would be a missionary to Brazil and that is where I have spent the last 41 years of my life...

I humbly say that thousands of souls will stand with me in judgement saved because I obeyed...
I know what it is to be laughed at, made fun of because of the calling of God...but HIS call means more to me than any other thing...I have never lost the wonder that He would call a little green eyed girl from Arkansas to play a part in reaching the world with His gospel.

[Sister Alvear]

I sure don't have time or strength to spend...many years ago...I made my calling and election sure.

[Sister Alvear]

I GUESS I should say this my calling is not to pastor...