How do I "continue to deny that Deborah exists," when I've repeatedly demonstrated to you that she did not "preach sermons," but rather prophesied of God's future plans??????????
Really, since we're presently in the church economy/age, this has little application to our present day topic. Not that it matters, since NOTHING is ever said about her being a "preacher"???
Yea', I'm really the "only one who believes that I Cor. 11 refers to Man & Woman......obviously the apostle Paul thought the same thing, since he wrote it!
Sheesh, it's even worse than I previously thought!
There are two points here.
1. Only the ornaments jingling on the ankles are between the "because" and "therefore". I think the issue we are having is one about how therefore can be used more than anything. Just to be sure about this... Hypothetically, if I was correct about "therefore" would you consider this passage to to be evidence of God's displeasure with rings?
2. If you would, please explain in depth how you read Matthew 28:19, in terms of: What was the reason? What happened because of the reason? And anything else you feel is important to add. I will go ahead and give my explanation. 18) Christ had all power given to him. 19) For the reason that he had all power given to him, he told his disciples to teach all nations, baptizing them... That is how I read Matthew 28:19. What is your reading of it?
Point #1: The textual fact remains that there's jewelry mentioned before the "Because" & the "therefore". Honestly, I don't see why in the world you can't see this.
Point 2: Because Christ was the one w/ all authority/power, He commissioned them to go & teach, baptizing [note the suffix] in the One, singular Name/onama..........which, of course, is Jesus. Excellent point...which is MY point.
You really should read your Bible, since it says that he went into the "midst of the city".
Got scripture for that? My KJV said he went into the city just a day's journey. The city was three days journey long. What version do you use?
Jonah 3:3
So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.
3:4
And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
Perhaps this is why you see things differently. You apparently use a different version that says something other than what my KJV does. If this is the case, well, we have no further discussion, do we?
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HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT PROPHECY [WHICH IS WHAT JONAH WAS DOING] IS A F-O-R-M OF PREACHING??????????? BUT IT'S N-O-T A "SERMON FROM THE SCRIPTURES," AS CONTEMPORARY WOMEN "PREACHERS" USE THE TERM TO JUSTIFY THEIR DISOBEDIENCE TO I TIM. 2, I COR. 14, ETC.............which you absolutely refuse to engage.
Put it in caps so that you can possibly understand it now..............Sheeeeesh!
You mean, the midst of a city of 600k people? That's about 3 1/2 times the size of St. Louis!!! Do you think you can stand in the center of St. Louis preaching and enough people hear you to consider them a congregation?? ROFL!!!
But the point is, you consider Jonah to be preaching even though he was prophesying, yet you refuse to believe Deborah was doing the same with Barak and those around her, even though the same Hebrew word was used as it was with Jonah! Should I put that in caps for you?
However, I take it back. Ninevah didn't have 600k people....it was double that...over one million. Sixscore thousand people. It was also just a three days journey to completely cross the city. Jonah just went in as far as one day's journey.
God told Jonah to preach what He'd told him. Preach. Do you know what that means? It's acting as a herald. Do you know what a herald does? HINT: He doesn't need an audience or a congregation...he just needs a voice of proclaimation. Notice there is nothing mentioned below about needing a congregation or audience being a requirement.
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1. to call, call out, recite, read, cry out, proclaim
1. (Qal)
1. to call, cry, utter a loud sound
2. to call unto, cry (for help), call (with name of God)
3. to proclaim
4. to read aloud, read (to oneself), read
5. to summon, invite, call for, call and commission, appoint, call and endow
6. to call, name, give name to, call by
2. (Niphal)
1. to call oneself
2. to be called, be proclaimed, be read aloud, be summoned, be named
3. (Pual) to be called, be named, be called out, be chosen
However, I do wish the Bible was more explicit as to exactly what Jonah said to the people and other details that are missing. It's a great story, but it seems that all we know about Jonah is that he was living in a whale for three days.
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Point #1: The textual fact remains that there's jewelry mentioned before the "Because" & the "therefore". Honestly, I don't see why in the world you can't see this.
Point 2: Because Christ was the one w/ all authority/power, He commissioned them to go & teach, baptizing [note the suffix] in the One, singular Name/onama..........which, of course, is Jesus. Excellent point...which is MY point.
Hair and mirrors are also mentioned. Do you preach against those things too?
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Got scripture for that? My KJV said he went into the city just a day's journey. The city was three days journey long. What version do you use?
Jonah 3:3
So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.
3:4
And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
Perhaps this is why you see things differently. You apparently use a different version that says something other than what my KJV does. If this is the case, well, we have no further discussion, do we?
You mean, the midst of a city of 600k people? That's about 3 1/2 times the size of St. Louis!!! Do you think you can stand in the center of St. Louis preaching and enough people hear you to consider them a congregation?? ROFL!!!
But the point is, you consider Jonah to be preaching even though he was prophesying, yet you refuse to believe Deborah was doing the same with Barak and those around her, even though the same Hebrew word was used as it was with Jonah! Should I put that in caps for you?
However, I take it back. Ninevah didn't have 600k people....it was double that...over one million. Sixscore thousand people. It was also just a three days journey to completely cross the city. Jonah just went in as far as one day's journey.
God told Jonah to preach what He'd told him. Preach. Do you know what that means? It's acting as a herald. Do you know what a herald does? HINT: He doesn't need an audience or a congregation...he just needs a voice of proclaimation. Notice there is nothing mentioned below about needing a congregation or audience being a requirement.
However, I do wish the Bible was more explicit as to exactly what Jonah said to the people and other details that are missing. It's a great story, but it seems that all we know about Jonah is that he was living in a whale for three days.
Do you know what the definition of a "congregation" is? And, it's hilariously absurd that you repeatedly require black & white Scripture of me that "says" a specific thing, yet when I provide that black & white Scripture via I Tim. 2, I Cor. 14, I Tim. 3, etc. ad nauseum......you simply ignore it! ROFL!!!
Oh, & still waiting on you to provide the reputable translation that adopts the word as "preached" for what Deborah did:_________? Hmmmm....you can even put it in "caps"! Besides, do I reeeeeeeeally have to say again that prophecy is a form of preaching????
I mean really!?!? So silly....you're just attempting to wax scholarly [to no avail].
Question: Did the Holy Spirit inspire Paul to forbid the practice of women teaching/preaching in the church in I Tim. 2, or not:__________?
Hair and mirrors are also mentioned. Do you preach against those things too?
If the hair is ostentatious, & they are wearing the mirrors as they were in this passage...YES!!!!
Really, from the looks of things, you should follow Thomas Jefferson's example & just compile your own Bible [as he's reported to have done]..... since you apparently only believe the segments that suit your fancy.
Oh, & still waiting on you to provide the reputable translation that adopts the word as "preached" for what Deborah did:
Already did that and you chose to ignore it. If there's nothing further you care to discuss, this is over between you and I. I'm not going to discuss this issue with you when you refuse to accept citations that I post because they aren't good enough for you, as if you are somehow more 'in the know' than scholars who have studied the Bible for decades.
I haven't yet arrived. I admit that....something you cannot do for yourself.
Sorry, but I just don't have the brains or the wits to battle with the unending knowledge you appear to have.
I'll just stick to my simple KJV Bible.
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"Question: Did the Holy Spirit inspire Paul to forbid the practice of women teaching/preaching in the church in I Tim. 2, or not:__________? "
I think you will likely see the earth reduced to dust before you get an answer on this. LOL. You've been waiting for one for about 52 page snow haven't you?
"Question: Did the Holy Spirit inspire Paul to forbid the practice of women teaching/preaching in the church in I Tim. 2, or not:__________? "
I think you will likely see the earth reduced to dust before you get an answer on this. LOL. You've been waiting for one for about 52 page snow haven't you?
Paul also said that he'd rather that all men live as he did......single. Do you really think God has that same preference?
When was the last time you greeted one another with a holy kiss?
The same Holy Ghost inspired Paul to write that command too. Pucker up.
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