Can Women Pastor ?

[Sister Alvear]

I don't like to even get into these endless discussions...people can take the Bible an PROVE about whatever they want it to say...
Drink wine...do not drink wine...
All kinds of IDEAS what modest may mean...
Women cannot preach but testify...lead songs, teach SS classes....

Some doubted Paul's right to be an apostle...

Some take scriptures out of their context an culture...


I don't fuss with one side or the other for neither side will JUDGE on that day...I have been a missionary now over 41 years an I know my voice brought spiritual life to people enchained by terrible darkenss of devil worship and idols...I consider myself one of Paul's helpers a a mother in Zion...

The sitting of the early church did not even consist for the most part in church building and preaching behind pulpits...Acts tells about men and WOMEN that went EVERYWHERE PREACHING…
Your sons and daughters shall prophecy….is also seen in the NT…

An like I have said hundreds of times NO Godly woman would ever want to rule over a man but at the same time I cannot imagine a GODLY woman letting someone perish if she could throw in the lifeline…I don’t think you will find me straightening pictures in a burning house…
Ruth's sickle may be rust but her spirit is still golden....Let me go glean the fields...

[Esther]

Originally Posted by rdp

Honestly, this whole "woman preacher" stuff is just incoherent non-sense. Scripture couldn't be plainer, & no matter how many extra-biblical "confirmations" they supposedly receive, they still have black & white print staring them in the face that says "NO"! Let God be true & every man a liar...............

God does not contradict His written Word, but the problem is w/ out of place women in the American church as a result of the modern feminist movement. In sum, they simply are doing what they want to do [self-will] operating under the guise of "obeying God's call". Not hardly. Remember, it was when Satan became dissatisfied w/ his God given place & said "I will ascend..." that he was kicked out of heaven.

I honestly fear for women preachers in eternity.....seriously.

I'm temporary speechless!

[Esther]

Originally Posted by rdp

Hello, I don't think Scripture could possibly be plainer on the subject of women in Eldership/Leadership [I Tim. 2:11-14, I Cor. 14:34-35, I Ptr. 3, etc.].

The early church did not even consider this as an issue, much like the trinity doctrine/baptismal formula, etc. These issues arose as the practices unfortunately began. Blessings....RDP.

Originally Posted by rdp

Sorry friend, the early church derived their epistemological make-up from the OT Scriptures....which N-E-V-E-R shows a woman expounding from the Scriptures to a congregation. But you have the floor, pls. provide me just one, single passage in the Bible where a woman taught/preached from the Scriptures. Just ONE!

Spare me the Deborah issue pls., since she was not an expositor from the Scriptures!! And, you're very mistaken, the early church DID address the issue of women preachers...when Paul strictly forbid the practice [I Tim. 2:11-14, I Cor. 14:34]. Apparently you deny the literal text.

May take me a few days to respond, very busy, but have heard all of these arguments for years now.

So what does ursurp mean to you?

Also, do you allow women to teach Sunday school, or sing in the choir? Or do you really believe women are to be silent???

[Esther]

Originally Posted by rdp

Heavenlyone: So in other words you still have not provided a Scripture where a woman taught/preached to men FROM THE SCRIPTURES! There's absolutely NOTHING in the texts that you mentioned denoting this. You have supplied those meanings via your theology...not the literal text.

Besides, Anna was not under the church economy, or the epistles to the churches. Not that it matters, since nothing is said of her "preaching" or "teaching". I guess that everytime a woman walks into a bldg. & starts talking about the redemption of Christ...she's automatically a preacher??????? And yes, I honor the sacrifices of the Alvaer's, this is not the same as agreeing w/ the doctrine of women preachers, LOL! I agree, "amazing!"

Godsdrummer: You're right, I shouldn't & wouldn't sit under a woman preacher since it flies directly in the face of Scripture. In fact, if I'm at a meeting & a woman gets up to "preach" my wife & I are "outa' there"!

Acts 18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto [them], and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

Rom 16:3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:

I cor 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.

Here is an example of a woman preaching/teaching Jesus.

[Sister Alvear]

Acts 8 talks about men and women...

Study the church councils and you will find early church women did a lot in the work of the Lord...Just as the councils changed baptism mode they also took the women from church work...

[Sister Alvear]

Balance and common sense tells us somethings...does anyone think I am lost because I taught my husband English...lol...

[Godsdrummer]

What gets me is the willingness of some to argue even in the face of truth. I will ask the answer to several questions, that I always understood to be settled for all time. I later undestood the answer to these questions was not as clear cut as I was taught all my life.

1. Does Deut. 22:5 teach a women cannot wear pants?

2. Does Proverbs 20:1, 23:31, teach it is sin to drink alcoholic beverages?

3. Does 1Cor. 11:1-15 teach it is sin for a women to cut her hair?

4. does 1Timothy 2:9, 1 Peter 3:3, teach it is sin for women to wear jewlery?

The answer to all these questions is NO!!!! Yet we in our western society have taken these and many other scriptures to build performance based religions. That take away the light of the grace of God, and the personal relationship with God and turned it into doctrines of man and not of God.

When are we going to learn it is not about heaven and hell, but it is about relationship with God right now on earth.
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


Many of us have become the Pharisee of our day Matt 15:1-11

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Esther

Acts 18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto [them], and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

Rom 16:3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:

I cor 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.

Here is an example of a woman preaching/teaching Jesus.

No, Esther, she was cooking while the men were preaching. Read the scripture again!!!

[Sister Alvear]

I know thousands of people that would have never heard if I had not done my part...

[rdp]

Pls. provide the Scripture where a woman EVER preached to a church congregation:_______________?

So if my wife & I had a church meeting weekly in our house, I suppose that she's automatically a "minister/preacher"???????????? Unreal how folks will go to any extreme to force their pre-conceived notions into the literal text, which NEVER states the same. Ever heard of an "Argument from Silence"?

I'm plumb astounded that women preachers would appeal to Acts 8, since it plainly says that the women were "in prison"!!!! How could they "WENT everywhere preaching" from a prison cell???????????????? The verse in question grammatically points back to vs. 1 {& this is about the 3rd time that I've dealt w/ this now}.

Regarding Sis. Alvear, I've repeatedly said that I honor her sacrifice wholly & respect her for it [& have even contributed to their cause]. However, this does necessitate an endorsement of her 'preaching.' It's one thing to honor the persons sacrifices, yet quite another to agree w/ their every doctrine. When it comes to the women preacher issue, I whole-heartedly disagree & can demonstrate so Biblically. But, I still respect her for the sacrifices that she's made. Blessings................