Heavenlyone: The Scriptures in Acts 8:4 grammatically & contextually refers back to the ones who were scattered abroad in vs. 1, not vs. 3! Perhaps you should read slowly that you might understand context. Thus, YOU are the one who's arguing w/ God-Breathed Scripture [such as I Tim. 2, & I Cor. 14], not me. Where does the Bible affirm that the women whom you've referred to [& I've heard this stuff for years] actually "preached" a sermon to a church congregation? Oooops, it doesn't! They were simply witnesses, not "preachers/teachers" in the 5-fold ministry! I think I'll stick to the Book!
That's your assertion but it has no proof.
Acts 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
2 And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.
3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.
4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.
Who is the 'they' referring to in verse 1? Men only? Was the church comprised only of men?
Verse 4 doesn't admit to only men preaching. It says THEY. It's the same THEY used in referencing men and women in verse 3, and even if your assertion is correct, it's the same THEY mentioned in verse 1!!
The church was being persecuted against. A church comprised of both men and women. Those same men and women were being thrown into prisons, THEY were being scattered abroad, and THEY were also preaching!
Again, your argument is with scripture, which I've plainly showed you that mentions women and in no way distinguishes the men from them in regard to preaching.
Oh, and another thing....just because someone is behind a pulpit doesn't mean they are preaching anymore than someone being in a group of ten people speaking the Word of God means they aren't preaching. Having a sermon come forth out of one's mouth doesn't mean they are preaching. I can repeat any sermon I've ever heard to a group of people but that doesn't mean I'm preaching, does it?
In addition, there are lots of 'preachers' in the Bible who never preached a sermon to a church congregation. That's not what makes a preacher.
Matt 28:19 is a commandment for us all. If you don't like it, take it up with Jesus. He's the one who said it.
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Pretty hard to say that the word "they" is only refering to men.....I don't agree with alot on here but lets please not assume anything just because of what you are taught
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Would you all agree that we are living in the last days?If you agree that we are,then God is going to pour out his Spirit and if he pours it out on a woman then she can be anything that God purposes and if that is to be the Pastor of a congregation then who are we to interfere in God's plan?Who am I to judge God's will, if his will is for the female gender.Come to think about it,his will was for Israel,they denied Christ and his will turned to the gentiles.
If God calls a man to be Pastor and he denies his calling,don't think God can't graft in a woman.He grafted in the gentiles,he can graft in a woman.
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Ok why would Paul write about women being silent in the church,and yet give instruction in 1 Corinthians about sisters prophesying in the church ?
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There they can find plenty of fault.
Ok why would Paul write about women being silent in the church,and yet give instruction in 1 Corinthians about sisters prophesying in the church ?
I don't know...But could this be for the Church business?Women keeping silent in the Church Business?Growing up I know all the elders met in a room in the basement.I would ride to Church with my Grand Father,he'd attend the meetings and no women ever could.Church Business,maybe that is what Paul means when he says a woman should keep silent.Makes sense to me!
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Where does verse 1, in said passages, actually "mention" women preaching, or women at all? You're forcing your preconceived theology into the text that never acknowledges the same.
Yes, I'm sure that there were some women in the church that was persecuted.....but they were explicitly forbidden to teach/preach [I Tim. 2:12-14]. Likewise, I'm also sure that there were infants/children in the church as well. I suppose they were also "preaching" eh???? I don't think so.
At this era of the church, they were fresh from the OT Law [which Paul appeals to in I Tim. 2 to butress his doctrine], & where's the "woman priest" in the Law? The early church did not even consider what your claiming. My disagreement is w/ how you try to force Scripture to say what you want it to say...but it never does!
And I never said that just because one stood behind a pulpit meant they were preaching??????? You're attacking me off of your own assertions! But when a woman takes a text & begins to "preach/teach," or start spittin' & sputterin' like a man.....SHE'S OUT OF ORDER!
In dealing w/ Biblical issues, proper hermeneutics is to evaluate all pertinent passages which directly deal w/ the issue at hand [such as I Tim. 2:12-14, I Cor. 14:34-35, I Tim. 3]. From there, you look for incidental circumstances & then blend it all into one harmonious function. But here's the catch, the incidentals [such as Acts 8, which doesn't even state your position] do not override the explicit teachings on said matter! This is proper Biblical interpretaion.
So according to your quote RDP a woman cannot get the "holyghost" with evidence of tongues...according to you she is out of order....
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And I never said that just because one stood behind a pulpit meant they were preaching??????? You're attacking me off of your own assertions! But when a woman takes a text & begins to "preach/teach," or start spittin' & sputterin' like a man.....SHE'S OUT OF ORDER
Where does verse 1, in said passages, actually "mention" women preaching, or women at all?
Likewise, where do they mention men preaching, or men at all?
Well, when you mention men and women in one verse, and THEY in the next verse, it's safe to assume that the THEY isn't referring to pink elephants or extra-terrestrials.
And if you want to go down the 'when scripture mentions men, it means no women', you have a problem with Jesus, since He said that in order for a man to enter the kingdom of God, HE had to be born again. No mention of women in any way in that passage. Not once. Not even a THEY is mentioned.
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You're forcing your preconceived theology into the text that never acknowledges the same.
Yes, I'm sure that there were some women in the church that was persecuted.....but they were explicitly forbidden to teach/preach [I Tim. 2:12-14]. Likewise, I'm also sure that there were infants/children in the church as well. I suppose they were also "preaching" eh???? I don't think so.
Now who's being silly? Scripture doesn't mention infants or children in that passage, but if it did, then yes, I'd say they were also preaching everywhere just like the scripture says. But instead, the writer was very specific and said MEN AND WOMEN and that THEY went everywhere preaching. I don't think Luke made a mistake in what he witnessed, do you? Or do you think someone told him wrong?
You can't erase it away just because you want to make a point. Paul wasn't there to give his rules. In fact, he was trying to shut up not only the women, but the men too by throwing them all in prison!
They might have been forbidden to preach in 1 Timothy, but they weren't in Acts 8!
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the greek word for "man" in Jn. 3 that you referenced is the word for "Human Being," not masculine, but neuter. You really should educate yourself a little more.
And, vs. 3 mentions the "women," who WERE IN JAIL....how could they go "EVERYWHERE" from jail????????????????? Sheesh, try a little honesty w/ the text. Those who preached everywhere are defined as the ones who were scattered abroad in vs. 1, not vs. 3! This is the 2nd time that I've showed you this & yet you deny the grammar of the text???
Well, Scripture doesn't mention women in vs. 1 either, but you assume that this would include women, I agree, but it should also include infants...who YOU said would have to be "preaching"??????? Come, come now!
You are the one attempting to "erase away" I Tim. 2, I Cor. 14, etc....all so you can keep your agenda??????? One [of many] more thought, the Greek word "elders" in your Bible is ALWAYS in the masculine....NEVER in the feminine! Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
KWSS1976: You know full well that receiving the Holy Spirit is not the same as "preaching/teaching" a sermon! And, you should also know that in Bible times, they did not have "Sunday School," so your appeal is outside of the literal text. Besides, children are classified as a "man" [I Tim. 2:12-15]. But, when the youth begins to get some age on them, I would not have a woman teaching them in Sunday School anyway! Gotta' run, be back soon!
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