Islam vs. Christianity Part 1 - Page 13

StillStanding · #**121** 04-23-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by shawndell

Brother Thomas Im just wondering why he is even on AFF?This is a Christian forum,and I think we got a devil in the house.

I think he is someone just playing the part of a Muslim! A real Muslim wouldn't waste their time here! He's someone just having fun with us!

Thomas Trini · #**122** 04-23-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by shawndell

Brother Thomas Im just wondering why he is even on AFF?This is a Christian forum,and I think we got a devil in the house.

Our God is greater (FAR GREATER) than his little teensy, weensy "wannabe" god. A rose by any other name is still a rose. Or in this case Beelzebub.

Thomas Trini · #**123** 04-23-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

I think he is someone just playing the part of a Muslim! A real Muslim wouldn't waste their time here! He's someone just having fun with us!

If he is, it'll show in time.

Thomas Trini · #**124** 04-23-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Coming from someone who follows a book re-written so badly that they authors couldn't even get something as simple as the names of the 12 apostles of Jesus right (Matthew 10 and Mark 3 has one list while Luke 6 has another) certainly does not give much weight to your words. Point out the direct and specific contradictions in the Quran if you will.

We've found copies dating back thousands of years, whether it's the Old or New Testament, and the differences between today's "re-written" Bibles are virtually non-existant as to be laughable. Remember Qumran and The Dead Sea scrolls? I wonder how many copies of the Koran ("written" by an illiterate prophet) there are that come from 622 A.D.
Now contrast this with Homer's "The Iliad." There are far more errors, and a lapse between the writing and today.
Ever read "Evidence That Demands A Verdict" by Josh McDowell(former skeptic)? The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel(former atheist)?

Thomas Trini · #**125** 04-23-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Since the original Aramaic and Hebrew texts were destroyed by the same council who eliminated anything written by anyone who actually lived and walked with Jesus it is likely that you (or I) will ever know.

Really? Then how do The Gnostic Gospels, The Apocrpha and other texts (e.g. The Babylonian account of creation) still exist today? How about the laws of Hammurabi?
Chances are probably better that the false ones became absolutely worthless, kind of like the books that even a used bookstore can't get rid of for a dollar or less. Eventually, when you're freezing to death, they become "firewood."

Thomas Trini · #**126** 04-23-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I contend that I have noted many from the Bible while asking about them and the only answer I received was "they teach us that in our first two years of bible college". I contend that I am not surprised about the two year thing. So, starting with a simple question - who WERE the 12 disciples of Christ? Since the original Aramaic and Hebrew texts were destroyed by the same council who eliminated anything written by anyone who actually lived and walked with Jesus it is likely that you (or I) will ever know.

I have yet to get an answer on any of them, or even Arab culture and "unclean" habits. I have yet to see why using toilet paper is viewed as something weird in Arab culture.
The difference in the names of the disciples, if you read all four gospels is clear, some even point out things like that. Peter was called a) Cephas; b) Peter and c) Simon. All three are true. Don't you have two
names> heck, I even see on the news once in a while a guy named Muhammed (First name) Muhammed (middle name) Muhammed (last name). Get that one. Guess you guys save a bundle on name tags. You can print up 1,000 with Muhammed, and they'll all be gone by the end of the day. Must be tough at parties, though. Where's Muhammed?......Which one?

Trouvere · #**127** 04-23-2009, 04:28 PM

I am so glad I know who Jesus is.

shawndell · #**128** 04-23-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

I think he is someone just playing the part of a Muslim! A real Muslim wouldn't waste their time here! He's someone just having fun with us!

Maybe he is!

shawndell · #**129** 04-23-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Trini

Our God is greater (FAR GREATER) than his little teensy, weensy "wannabe" god. A rose by any other name is still a rose. Or in this case Beelzebub.

Yes!! Thank the lord we are not decieved!

Praxeas · #**130** 04-23-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Jesus himself prayed to "Eloi" from his cross. The personal term for God in Aramaic is Alaha. This was the mother tongue of Jesus. In Hebrew it is Alah, Elah, or Eloh. The name for God in Islam is Allah, it has roots to those tongues. God's law originated with Abraham. The Quran references many, many Old Testament Prophets (by name) as messengers of God and as messengers their words are part of God's law. The Quran cautions that one should follow the words of all of these messengers. YOU say "originated with Mohammed". The Quran lists Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Lot, Moses, Aaron, Ezekiel, David, Solomon, Elias, Elisha, Jonah, Zechariah, John, and Jesus as being Messengers of God. At least, when showing your piercing wit, try not to be deceptive and surely try not to marginalize these words from your own bibles just because they come from me. "shooting the messenger" does not change the outcome of the message as the Isrealites discovered many times to their misfortune when they turned away from it. "Muslims" and "Muslim countries" who modify, hijack for their own gain or power, and turn away from this message discover this regularly BTW, to their own misfortune. The words of each messenger from God are attributed to the messenger who originally stated them and are certainly (and correctly) attributed to them as Gods message to people. The words that spell out God's laws in the Quran are in your own bibles. Which, is why, earlier, even I advised you to pick up and read and know your own bibles. Following your bible as a guide to live your life certainly requires nothing else, as stated in the Quran in reference to "people of the book who follow the laws of the book" aka christians. It is the oldest temptation of the devil - to convince one to pick and choose what and which parts of God's law are palatable and which are not, resulting in a watered-down version and a win for him anyway. Take note of this.

The particular passage mentioned is not a Muslim passage at all. This is advice to you from your own Bible. It is a start to healing your own neighborhoods and communities and in advising this there is certainly and absolutely no personal gain to me. The fact that every time it is mentioned it is resented says much about you people BTW. Another thing to note.

Again Jesus said Eli...which is My God. Hebrew is Elohim, Eloh and El...that reflects Plural, singular and shortened singular. The PERSONAL name is Yahweh second personal and first personal is Ehyeh