Tattoos-What do ya think?

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Here is another article.http://www.theoriginof.com/all-about...of-tattoo.html

Interesting. Some believe it came from the origin of religion first then became perverted, like the 'high places' in the bible. It is a kin to shaving ones face. Some will tell you it came from ancient gay communities where some will say that in Macidonia is where it originated from where the free people were to be clean shaved and the slaves were the ones with hair on their face and heads. So both arguments are heard and might even have validity. I think that tattoos started as religious symbols. The ancient christians were tatooed with a cross of the name of Jehovah (see the article above). So one can try and make both arguments.

[Scott Hutchinson]

When the articles says Ancient Christians does it mean the early church,or something like the RCC ?

[Scott Hutchinson]

http://www.pawcreek.org/articles_pcm...es/tattoos.htm

[Tyk]

Originally Posted by Tyk

Would witches with long uncut hair, gain evil standing or (power) because of the long uncut hair? or does the power come from the reason they leave it long and uncut?

Or is that just a bad comparison?

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[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Tyk

Would witches with long uncut hair, gain evil standing or (power) because of the long uncut hair? or the reason they leave it long and uncut?

Or is that just a bad comparison?

edit: for clarification

I have read studies on that matter of the hair. I think it valid cause there are things that if done for the right reasons are benefitial. I think that a witches hair though long may give them power, but not for the right reasons. Some people get tattoos for the wrong reasons. For me if I get tattoos it will be for the right reasons and not for any other motivations

[ManOfWord]

I don't preach against them, because I think it is a personal thing. I tried to persuade al 3 of my sons not to get them and wouldn't sign for them as minors. I even got my two oldest sons to make a "covenant" with me that if I let them get their ears pierced, that they would never get tattoos. They broke that promise in their 20's. I just saw my youngest son's tatoo this Summer on vacation that I didn't know he had. It is a cross on his shoulder.

As disappointing as it was, I'm not going to let it get between me and my sons, whom I love dearly. It's not worth it. I don't have to live with them, they do. A hair style is not worth losing a relationship over and neither are most things. We need to have an eternal perspective. People are FAR more important than what they wear or get done to their bodies. I still have personal convictions about them, which is why I don't have any............................................... ............yet!







Just for the record...that ain't happenin'!!!!!.....EVER

[Pressing-On]

I was amazed when I ran across this information while reading, Jennie, The Life of Lady Randolph Churchill, Vol 1, The Romantic Years, 1854-1895. Excellent book! I'm starting Volume II today, Jennie, The Life of Lady Randolph Churchill, Vol II, The Dramatic Years, 1895-1921.

(Jennie also had a distinguishing mark, the tattoo of a snake on her wrist, which she usually covered with bracelets. Tattooes were somewhat of a fad at the time - the Prince of Wales had one, as did Czar Nicholas II.), pg. 164.

Reference cited:

The Daily Telegram in London, July 3, 1963, quoted the New York State Supreme Court ruling that it was "an inalienable right" to have one's body tattooed, regardless of the contention that it might cause hepatitis. The article said, "Lady Randolph Churchill, mother of Sir Winston Churchill, was tattooed for ornamental purposes as were King Frederick IX of Denmark, King George V, Edward VII, Alfonso XII of Spain, Viscount Montgomery, and countless other distinguished members of society."

Most, if not all, of the "distinguished" members of society were married having lovers or single and fornicating. As long as you were discreet, you could stay in that circle of the "distinguished". lol

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I don't preach against them, because I think it is a personal thing. I tried to persuade al 3 of my sons not to get them and wouldn't sign for them as minors. I even got my two oldest sons to make a "covenant" with me that if I let them get their ears pierced, that they would never get tattoos. They broke that promise in their 20's. I just saw my youngest son's tatoo this Summer on vacation that I didn't know he had. It is a cross on his shoulder.

As disappointing as it was, I'm not going to let it get between me and my sons, whom I love dearly. It's not worth it. I don't have to live with them, they do. A hair style is not worth losing a relationship over and neither are most things. We need to have an eternal perspective. People are FAR more important than what they wear or get done to their bodies. I still have personal convictions about them, which is why I don't have any............................................... ............yet!

Just for the record...that ain't happenin'!!!!!.....EVER

This whole post can be summed up with just looking at a few your statements.

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I don't preach against them

Preach, also comes together with teach. If you combined the two you would never have to worry about future foibles.

Teach and preach.

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

let them

This is on the same level as "Don't eat junk food," "Be sure you're in bed early," and "make sure you clean your room."

When the children leave they do as they very well please, and sometimes go after those things they were never allowed to do. What I allow and disallow can be forgotten if I never TAUGHT the reasons why they were wrong, or unprofitable for a time later in their life. I have daughters, and for them to get tattoos would not only be unacceptable, but would send a massage to a wrong element of society. What we wear sends a message and tattoos send those messages at more levels then you can imagine. Forget just being a preacher, how about the role of a father? It's not what you preach over the pulpit that your family will be in tune to, but how you live your life at home. Your sons would follow your lead of clean un-tattooed skin, because what they see on the inside of you. Not because of the outside of you.

I have both my arms from the wrist to the shoulders filled with tattoos.

I can tell you this, if my daughters get tattooed it will be because of my outside man, and not my inside man. What makes me laugh the most is when liberals squawk about outer standards and they talk about tattoos?

You all are still just placing emphasis on the outside, the same way you did when you taught and preached standards. You claim that you came out of the standards, and no longer adhere to them, but in reality you still do.
You just do it in different ways now. Jesus told the Pharisee that He loved their holiness standards in Matthew 23, but He hated their inner man.
You all were so busy preaching the Sear's catalog that you lost sight of the inner man, and 86ed the outer garments of separation, just to blend into the maddening crowds. Confused? I would say so. Slouching towards mediocrity?
Maybe, or Postmodernism? I think the latter is closer to the facts.

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

They broke

They broke? A covenant or contract means nothing if it is never explained the consequences of breaking the contract. Also, what covenant in the scripture allowed Israel to sin a little, if the promise not to sin a lot?

It sounds like you were telling them they can drink Beer at home with you, just as long as they promised they wouldn't drink Jack Daniels and Johnny Walker Black, at the local topless bar. Pierced ears? Just as long as you don't tattoo your shoulder blade?

What were their consequences for breaking your covenant with them?
Did you stipulate one?

If you didn't you did it through man's mindset and not through a Biblical template.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

This whole post can be summed up with just looking at a few your statements.

Preach, also comes together with teach. If you combined the two you would never have to worry about future foibles.

Teach and preach.

This is on the same level as "Don't eat junk food," "Be sure you're in bed early," and "make sure you clean your room."

When the children leave they do as they very well please, and sometimes go after those things they were never allowed to do. What I allow and disallow can be forgotten if I never TAUGHT the reasons why they were wrong, or unprofitable for a time later in their life. I have daughters, and for them to get tattoos would not only be unacceptable, but would send a massage to a wrong element of society. What we wear sends a message and tattoos send those messages at more levels then you can imagine. Forget just being a preacher, how about the role of a father? It's not what you preach over the pulpit that your family will be in tune to, but how you live your life at home. Your sons would follow your lead of clean un-tattooed skin, because what they see on the inside of you. Not because of the outside of you.

I have both my arms from the wrist to the shoulders filled with tattoos.

I can tell you this, if my daughters get tattooed it will be because of my outside man, and not my inside man. What makes me laugh the most is when liberals squawk about outer standards and they talk about tattoos?

You all are still just placing emphasis on the outside, the same way you did when you taught and preached standards. You claim that you came out of the standards, and no longer adhere to them, but in reality you still do.
You just do it in different ways now. Jesus told the Pharisee that He loved their holiness standards in Matthew 23, but He hated their inner man.
You all were so busy preaching the Sear's catalog that you lost sight of the inner man, and 86ed the outer garments of separation, just to blend into the maddening crowds. Confused? I would say so. Slouching towards mediocrity?
Maybe, or Postmodernism? I think the latter is closer to the facts.

They broke? A covenant or contract means nothing if it is never explained the consequences of breaking the contract. Also, what covenant in the scripture allowed Israel to sin a little, if the promise not to sin a lot?

It sounds like you were telling them they can drink Beer at home with you, just as long as they promised they wouldn't drink Jack Daniels and Johnny Walker Black, at the local topless bar. Pierced ears? Just as long as you don't tattoo your shoulder blade?

What were their consequences for breaking your covenant with them?
Did you stipulate one?

If you didn't you did it through man's mindset and not through a Biblical template.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Enjoyed this post, Brother Benincasa!! I wanted, yesterday, to post what I read about the aristocracy during the 1800's, and searched for this thread. When I read MOW's post, I thought that I couldn't possibly NOT comment.

Today I thought to overlook it and post as I was not aware that tattooing was a "fad" during the early 1800's. I thought it was interesting, although their private lives were far, very far, from being upright examples of decency.

What I will say is that I don't see how in the world you can stop a young person from tattooing if you allow them to pierce their ears - allow them. That's like opening a door and ushering them through it, IMO.

Somehow, it seems so ridiculous to try and posture ourselves as a clean and upstanding Christian community and voice in the world by embracing the "fads" and "mindset" of current society.

Where are we today? Are we Miss California who attends a Christian college, parades around half dressed, poses in her underwear and spouts off that it is her Christian belief that marriage is between a man and a woman. How ridiculously confusing!

I don't see where tattooing is ever associated with genteel or decent society.

[Barb]

I don't care for tattoos and would never have one. As for what folks choose to do, I couldn't care less what others do with their own bodies.

However, I did read an interesting verse...here it is from the KJV, NIV, and the AMP...

Isa 49:16

16 Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands;
KJV

Isa 49:16

16 See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands;
NIV

Isa 49:16

16 Behold, I have indelibly imprinted (tattooed a picture of) you on the palm of each of My hands;
AMP