Phariseeism

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

Amen! I am in total agreement that man does NOT create holiness.

Can't create something that is already there. You can reflect that Holiness in your life.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
(Mark 7:7)

What part of this do people find difficult to understand?

Now if God stood behind those preachers that "bind things" upon his people, WHY would be reading the scripture above.

Would not God have to honor these doctrines, the commandments of men, that they "bound on earth" ?

[Sister Alvear]

God is like the sun we should be the moon...his reflection.

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
(Mark 7:7)

What part of this do people find difficult to understand?

Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mar 7:10 For Moses said, Honor thy father and thy mother; and, whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
Mar 7:11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.

After v. 7, Jesus went on to explain what he meant; notice "For" in v. 8. He even included a practical example of them laying aside the commandment of God to honor thy father and mother, with something that directly contradicted it. They created a man-made tradition that directly contradicted the word of God and made a doctrine out of it.

Holiness is not a man-made doctrine. Holiness standards are practical applications of holiness principles. It is applying the word of God in a practical way.

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Can't create something that is already there. You can reflect that Holiness in your life.

Yep.

Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Jesus wanted them to appear clean on the inside FIRST, then also on the outside.

Not just on the inside.

Because man looketh on the outward appearance and if we don't follow peace with all men AND holiness, how shall any man see the Lord?

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

Now if God stood behind those preachers that "bind things" upon his people, WHY would be reading the scripture above.

Would not God have to honor these doctrines, the commandments of men, that they "bound on earth" ?

See answer above in #144.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

...After v. 7, Jesus went on to explain what he meant; notice "For" in v. 8. He even included a practical example of them laying aside the commandment of God to honor thy father and mother, with something that directly contradicted it. They created a man-made tradition that directly contradicted the word of God and made a doctrine out of it.

Holiness is not a man-made doctrine. Holiness standards are practical applications of holiness principles. It is applying the word of God in a practical way.

I find it very interesting that you chose to respond to my post there, but not to my previous posts:
(http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...0&postcount=87)
and (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=102)

Are you dodging those simple questions sir?

Frankly, I think it's obvious that you are. And I think we both know why.

[Sister Alvear]

well,well...

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

Jesus did in Matt 18 give his future leadership the ability to make binding decisions that Jesus himself said that he would back up in heaven.

This is powerful. What that means is although something may not have been covered by Jesus, he entrusted his future leadership to make binding decisions that would be BOUND IN HEAVEN. Imagine that - things that men on earth would agree to bind, Jesus in heaven would bind in heaven like it is gospel.

That is powerful and shows how much trust Jesus put in the leadership of his future church that he was going to leave in their hands.

Amazing!

And in Acts 15 that is what they did. There was only one question, but after conferencing about it, they ended up actually making more that one decision/rule that was to be communicated and obeyed by all the gentile churches. And God, by his spirit in man, the Holy Ghost, indicated that what James had suggested and became the rule, was good unto Him.

Thank God for Jesus' teaching and a very practical example in Acts of applying that rule. Truly God's word is awesome!

Act 16:4 And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem.

You just spoke the seed-bed of a cult. "It's not in the Word, but I just LOOSED it into the kingdom!"

Jesus DID NOT authorize the apostles to make up doctrines that He did not incite, Himself. I cannot believe you take the references to binding and loosing and claim that means we can make up doctrines the bible does not propose. WOW!

That is not even what binding and loosing is referring to. Binding and loosing is shown in Matt 18 to refer to things like forgiveness and loosing someone from a "prison" of bondage for sin. Check the entire chapter and notice the flow of terms used. And as Praxeas said, it involved Christ's authority. It is simply the same as commanding something in Jesus' name, but that does not include concocting new doctrines! MY LAND!!!

Old paths, alright.. the old paths that led Adam and eve out of the Garden.

Someone ought to start a new thread about the cult of concocting new doctrines due to misinterpreting the idea of binding and loosing. It's one of the most dangerous I have ever heard of! Joseph Smith would be proud!

The apostles were given foundational directives and revelation. We cannot think we can take their place and add to the church foundation after the original twelve are gone. The foundation is the apostles and prophets and Christ the cornerstone, and THEY were led by the Spirit to FOUND the basis of doctrine for the church -- not everyone who gets an urge to concoct a new doctrine since then.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

What it does show is that there were traditions/precepts/laws/ordinances that they were taught by those in spiritual authority that were not in writing, but were only verbal, and that they were expected to obey them.

The Doctrinal foundation was being laid by the apostles in that day, not since that day! WOW again!