Pastor Resigns?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by CC1

The two sides to this story seem pretty clear cut. Either the pastor did or did not forge someones signature. He either did or did not make that investment and obtain the second mortgage with the boards approval.

Those seem pretty easy to prove or disprove. The entire church board should know whether they agree to those two things or not.

BishopH... since you seem to have some knowledge of the situation, do you know the answer those 2 particular questions...?

1.. Did the pastor forge someone's signature, as has been alleged ?
2.. Did he take out a 2nd mortgage without the board's approval?

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

BishopH... since you seem to have some knowledge of the situation, do you know the answer those 2 particular questions...?

1.. Did the pastor forge someone's signature, as has been alleged ?
2.. Did he take out a 2nd mortgage without the board's approval?

I cannot answer either question definitively, however, it is my understanding that the second mortgage was with their approval. MOW may be able to give a more definitive answer if he feels at liberty to do so as I think he may have stated that he is helping them (the church in question) as they move forward.

[tv1a]

Good call. There are more church politics in that area than @ headquarters.

Any mention where PC is heading?

My former church is also looking for a new pastor. Their pastor is starting a church in the Cleveland area. Must be something in the water in Section III...

Originally Posted by AUTHORgio

Yes, Groveport is available. I know this because we received a call to try out for it, but we didn't feel to go to Ohio.

[SOUNWORTHY]

Originally Posted by bishoph

I cannot answer either question definitively, however, it is my understanding that the second mortgage was with their approval. MOW may be able to give a more definitive answer if he feels at liberty to do so as I think he may have stated that he is helping them (the church in question) as they move forward.

I'm glad I read all the posts and got your answer. When I read the news paper article I wondered how accurate it might be. I'm glad God delivered me from pastoring. Sometimes a pastor can do absolutely nothing right. My wife's first husband (he is deceased) was almost destroyed by a disgruntled church board and feuding families in the church. This web site can be very dangerous if someone posts something that is not true or if someone doesn't follow all the posts.

[SOUNWORTHY]

We need to pray for all the pastors in the world. The stronger the pastor the more it's open season for the devil. I don't envy any pastor their job. My pastor is a fantastic young man I've known him since he was born and I'm very impressed the way he has turned out.

[jaxfam6]

The state of Ohio and not just the UPCI but all the organizations there as well as the independents have always had problems. Rather it be mishandling of funds, adultry, or just plain control freaks. How do I know? I grew up there, father pastored there, brother and several cousins pastored there. Still have family there. There is certainly something about that area. Guess what though? It is not just Ohio. I've been in AZ, FL, LA, TX and they all have problems. If it isn't one thing it is another.
I get tired of people using pastors or other church members as an excuse not to serve God. If you knew half of what I knew or even been through half of what I have been through you would wonder why I still go to church and serve God, if you follow most peoples thinking.
You make a choice to serve God. Get your eyes off the creation and on the creator. Wrong is wrong and those that do wrong will answer one day for it. If not in our time then certainly in God's time. Does the wrong doer have to answer for causing someone to lose out with God? Yes I believe they will but the one who leaves also has a price to pay.
Isn't there a saying about "what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger"? Secular saying or not it is still very true in the spirit relm also.
We really need to pray for our leadership, rather AAFCJ, ALJC, PAW, UPCI, and the list can go on.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

The state of Ohio and not just the UPCI but all the organizations there as well as the independents have always had problems. Rather it be mishandling of funds, adultry, or just plain control freaks. How do I know? I grew up there, father pastored there, brother and several cousins pastored there. Still have family there.
...

some questions regarding the UPC in Newark
1. Is there a sign in a room where preparations for baptisms takes place that tell what to say when someone is baptize?
2. What does the sign or notice tell the baptizer to say as he baptizes?
3. If you don't know or don't want to say, that's OK.

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Sam

some questions regarding the UPC in Newark
1. Is there a sign in a room where preparations for baptisms takes place that tell what to say when someone is baptize?
2. What does the sign or notice tell the baptizer to say as he baptizes?
3. If you don't know or don't want to say, that's OK.

Are you speaking in reference to the UPC church on 23rd St in Newark Oh? The City of Newark and surrounding area you would think was half a million or more people. There are more UPC and ALJC churches in that little area of the world than in Phoenix AZ I think.

I am not sure if there is or not but I know someone who may. I still have family that goes there.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

Are you speaking in reference to the UPC church on 23rd St in Newark Oh? The City of Newark and surrounding area you would think was half a million or more people. There are more UPC and ALJC churches in that little area of the world than in Phoenix AZ I think.

I am not sure if there is or not but I know someone who may. I still have family that goes there.

I didn't realize there were that many OP churches in that area.
When I think of Newark, I remember there were about 3 ALJC churches in that general area and the pastors all had the last name of Smith. That was 30 years ago. Guy Smith was in Zanesville. I don't remember who and where the other two were. The only UPC church I knew about in Newark was the one Bro. Dyer pastored. I think his daughter married Ron Newstrand and Bro. Newstrand was pastor for a while.

The reason I asked was because I had read somewhere that there was a UPC church in Newark, Ohio that had a sign in a room where a person who was going to do the baptizing would see it. Allegedly, the sign directed that the person doing the baptizing should say, "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost." I was just wondering if someone could confirm that or if it was just rumor.

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Sam

I didn't realize there were that many OP churches in that area.
When I think of Newark, I remember there were about 3 ALJC churches in that general area and the pastors all had the last name of Smith. That was 30 years ago. Guy Smith was in Zanesville. I don't remember who and where the other two were. The only UPC church I knew about in Newark was the one Bro. Dyer pastored. I think his daughter married Ron Newstrand and Bro. Newstrand was pastor for a while.

The reason I asked was because I had read somewhere that there was a UPC church in Newark, Ohio that had a sign in a room where a person who was going to do the baptizing would see it. Allegedly, the sign directed that the person doing the baptizing should say, "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost." I was just wondering if someone could confirm that or if it was just rumor.

My cousin is looking into it for me. You are correct about the pastor of that church and Lois Dyer did marry Ron Newstrand and they did pastor there for years. Now it is the Sjostrand's who are there. I did not always agree with Newstrand but I can not see that being the case. I know my cousins well and if they baptized and used father, son, and holy ghost even adding in Jesus name they were not going to stay. That would have be a rumor I am sure. My sisters and brothers were all baptized and received the Holy Ghost under Bro Dyer and I know that was not the form he used.

ALJC there was Bro Charles Smith, Gene Waters, Bro Wilson and another in Newark. The surrounding area had another 2 ALJC another 2 UPCI, and at least 12 independant oneness churches. None of them got along with one another. go figure

My father started out in the country between Newark and Zanesville and drew from both areas.