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Old 02-13-2008, 01:10 AM
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Re: Why shouldn't I vote for Obama??

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Aren't you just saying that you'd rather vote for a "liberal" candidate?

The "remaking" of McCain that you describe will really just be efforts by the Republicans to get out the vote, especially for the many other races that are to be decided at the same time. A lackluster presidential candidate could spell doom for either party's congressional and senate candidates.

It a PR field day- whether we like it or not. Everybody with an opinion will be in your face at one point or another.
Every candidate is "remade". You are exactly right. It is the same with Obama and Billery

For starters they can buy McCain a half neck size larger shirts

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Old 02-13-2008, 01:14 AM
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Re: Why shouldn't I vote for Obama??

John McCain met his wife Cindy and began a whirlwind love affair and courtship. However, John McCain had a few things to take care of before they could marry. John McCain had to divorce Carol, his wife of 14 years. John McCain has even admitted to having had a problem keeping his member privy during this period by admitting that he had extramarital "affairs". John McCain then abandoned his wife and children to marry Cindy, the woman he was sleeping around with (not even Clinton abandoned his wife and children). During this adulterous relationship John McCain charmed Cindy with a web of "white lies". For example he lied about his age when they met and even lied to her while in the hospital when she was given flowers from a "John", when she thanked him he let on like he had sent her flowers, but in fact the flowers weren't from John McCain. He laughs about this today as though it is charming. But while telling these little white lies he was sleeping around with her and being unfaithful to his wife. Absolutely nothing charming about it.

Also John McCain has emotional outbursts, fits of rage, and uses extensive foul language. These are typicaly behaviors of men who have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, something for which he has been evaluated for several times, primarily because of his suicide attempt. The man is also in his 70's and is having moments of being "out of touch" with conversations. He's the last man who can be expected to broker peace in the Middle East and bring moderate Islamic nations into alliance with us against Islamic extremists. I don't want him anywhere near the "button".

A man's family life is a sure sign of his character and leadership, that's why the Apostle Paul made a solid family life a requirement for leadership in God's church. John McCain is a lying, unfaithful, and emotionally unstable man. His age should also be a concerning factor. So I'd consider these things before anointing him our "conservative" leader.

On the other hand Obama, while a liberal, is still married to his first and only wife Michelle. Obama deeply loves his wife and children, and it shows. Men may have their political "policies" they espouse, and we might disagree with them on an issue or two....but fidelity is the truest test of "character". And McCain fails that test.
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Old 02-13-2008, 01:22 AM
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John McCain met his wife Cindy and began a whirlwind love affair and courtship. However, John McCain had a few things to take care of before they could marry. John McCain had to divorce Carol, his wife of 14 years. John McCain has even admitted to having had a problem keeping his member privy during this period by admitting that he had extramarital "affairs". John McCain then abandoned his wife and children to marry Cindy, the woman he was sleeping around with (not even Clinton abandoned his wife and children). During this adulterous relationship John McCain charmed Cindy with a web of "white lies". For example he lied about his age when they met and even lied to her while in the hospital when she was given flowers from a "John", when she thanked him he let on like he had sent her flowers, but in fact the flowers weren't from John McCain. He laughs about this today as though it is charming. But while telling these little white lies he was sleeping around with her and being unfaithful to his wife. Absolutely nothing charming about it.

Also John McCain has emotional outbursts, fits of rage, and uses extensive foul language. These are typicaly behaviors of men who have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, something for which he has been evaluated for several times, primarily after his suicide attempt. The man is also in his 70's and is having moments of being "out of touch" with conversations. He's the last man who can be expected to broker peace in the Middle East and bring moderate Islamic nations into alliance with us against Islamic extremists. I don't want him anywhere near the "button".

A man's family life is a sure sign of his character and leadership, that's why the Apostle Paul made a solid family life a requirement for leadership in God's church. John McCain is a lying, unfaithful, and emotionally unstable man. His age should also be a concerning factor. So I'd consider these things before anointing him our "conservative" leader.

On the other hand Obama, while a liberal, is still married to his first and only wife Michelle. Obama deeply loves his wife and children, and it shows. Men may have their political "policies" they espouse, and we might disagree with them on an issue or two....but fidelity is the truest test of "character". And McCain fails that test.
And.....he has a turkey neck
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Old 02-13-2008, 01:29 AM
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Re: Why shouldn't I vote for Obama??

McCain's psychological health isn't something to gamble on when it comes to our nation's future. And his morality makes me want to puke. Like I said, at least Clinton didn't abandon his wife and children. McCain's an emotionally unstable, adulterous, deadbeat father. The man had extramarital affairs, drinking binges, then hooks up with some floosey and ultimately abandons his wife and kids....now he wants to be considered the "conservative choice"? "Conservative choice" my left foot. And sadly, some of us are falling for the RNC white wash.

Like I said, I'd rather vote for a man who is honest about being a liberal than a man who claims to be a conservative but is actually nothing but an emotionally unstable phony.
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Old 02-13-2008, 05:56 AM
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Old 02-13-2008, 05:58 AM
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McCain's psychological health isn't something to gamble on when it comes to our nation's future. And his morality makes me want to puke. Like I said, at least Clinton didn't abandon his wife and children. McCain's an emotionally unstable, adulterous, deadbeat father. The man had extramarital affairs, drinking binges, then hooks up with some floosey and ultimately abandons his wife and kids....now he wants to be considered the "conservative choice"? "Conservative choice" my left foot. And sadly, some of us are falling for the RNC white wash.

Like I said, I'd rather vote for a man who is honest about being a liberal than a man who claims to be a conservative but is actually nothing but an emotionally unstable phony.
Why should Clinton abandon his wife and kids? He was getting and would have continued getting what he wanted regardless. The executive privilege in corporate America.
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Re: Why shouldn't I vote for Obama??

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John McCain met his wife Cindy and began a whirlwind love affair and courtship. However, John McCain had a few things to take care of before they could marry. John McCain had to divorce Carol, his wife of 14 years. John McCain has even admitted to having had a problem keeping his member privy during this period by admitting that he had extramarital "affairs". John McCain then abandoned his wife and children to marry Cindy, the woman he was sleeping around with (not even Clinton abandoned his wife and children). During this adulterous relationship John McCain charmed Cindy with a web of "white lies". For example he lied about his age when they met and even lied to her while in the hospital when she was given flowers from a "John", when she thanked him he let on like he had sent her flowers, but in fact the flowers weren't from John McCain. He laughs about this today as though it is charming. But while telling these little white lies he was sleeping around with her and being unfaithful to his wife. Absolutely nothing charming about it.

Also John McCain has emotional outbursts, fits of rage, and uses extensive foul language. These are typicaly behaviors of men who have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, something for which he has been evaluated for several times, primarily because of his suicide attempt. The man is also in his 70's and is having moments of being "out of touch" with conversations. He's the last man who can be expected to broker peace in the Middle East and bring moderate Islamic nations into alliance with us against Islamic extremists. I don't want him anywhere near the "button".

A man's family life is a sure sign of his character and leadership, that's why the Apostle Paul made a solid family life a requirement for leadership in God's church. John McCain is a lying, unfaithful, and emotionally unstable man. His age should also be a concerning factor. So I'd consider these things before anointing him our "conservative" leader.

On the other hand Obama, while a liberal, is still married to his first and only wife Michelle. Obama deeply loves his wife and children, and it shows. Men may have their political "policies" they espouse, and we might disagree with them on an issue or two....but fidelity is the truest test of "character". And McCain fails that test.
If God says that no one sin is greater than another then who are you to judge otherwise? Is McCain's infidelity worse than murdering babies ?

Come on Bro. Hall. you at least started out with what you thought were good points and statistics, now your down to judging a mans personal life? You know that part of your life don't count in politics, especially if your Democrat. Why shoot, the Prez can have sexual relations in the oval office for all it matters now. Had Clinton been punished it would be different, but him getting away with it has set a whole new precedent that we will never be able to overcome. Besides, I'm sure Obama has his share of charactor flaws as well. We all do.
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The "make a conservative out of McCain" express is on the move. Their goal...to manipulate us into voting for McCain. I'd rather vote for a man who is liberal and honest about being a liberal than a man who is pretending to be a conservative and isn't.
wierd. a liberal just said

" I'd rather vote for a man who is liberal and honest about being a liberal than a man who is pretending to be a conservative and isn't"

Odd that a liberal would rather vote for a liberal! LOL!

Chris my friend, we all know what you would rather. just be happy that no matter what happens in this election, you will get your wish....

but lets be clear, Obama, while clearly an ultra liberal, has been running away from his liberalism the whole campaign.
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John McCain met his wife Cindy and began a whirlwind love affair and courtship. However, John McCain had a few things to take care of before they could marry. John McCain had to divorce Carol, his wife of 14 years. John McCain has even admitted to having had a problem keeping his member privy during this period by admitting that he had extramarital "affairs". John McCain then abandoned his wife and children to marry Cindy, the woman he was sleeping around with (not even Clinton abandoned his wife and children). During this adulterous relationship John McCain charmed Cindy with a web of "white lies". For example he lied about his age when they met and even lied to her while in the hospital when she was given flowers from a "John", when she thanked him he let on like he had sent her flowers, but in fact the flowers weren't from John McCain. He laughs about this today as though it is charming. But while telling these little white lies he was sleeping around with her and being unfaithful to his wife. Absolutely nothing charming about it.

Also John McCain has emotional outbursts, fits of rage, and uses extensive foul language. These are typicaly behaviors of men who have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, something for which he has been evaluated for several times, primarily because of his suicide attempt. The man is also in his 70's and is having moments of being "out of touch" with conversations. He's the last man who can be expected to broker peace in the Middle East and bring moderate Islamic nations into alliance with us against Islamic extremists. I don't want him anywhere near the "button".

A man's family life is a sure sign of his character and leadership, that's why the Apostle Paul made a solid family life a requirement for leadership in God's church. John McCain is a lying, unfaithful, and emotionally unstable man. His age should also be a concerning factor. So I'd consider these things before anointing him our "conservative" leader.

On the other hand Obama, while a liberal, is still married to his first and only wife Michelle. Obama deeply loves his wife and children, and it shows. Men may have their political "policies" they espouse, and we might disagree with them on an issue or two....but fidelity is the truest test of "character". And McCain fails that test.
Chris, I am doing my best to be nice here.

but let me be quite frank.

No democrat EVER gets to mention morality as a cause NOT to vote for something.

That is a discussion that ONLY republicans are allowed to have with FELLOW REPUBLICANS.

WE can discuss it. You are NOT allowed.

Morality is not the perview of those who support politicians of the democrat party. period. ever.
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Chris, I am doing my best to be nice here.

but let me be quite frank.

No democrat EVER gets to mention morality as a cause NOT to vote for something.

That is a discussion that ONLY republicans are allowed to have with FELLOW REPUBLICANS.

WE can discuss it. You are NOT allowed.

Morality is not the perview of those who support politicians of the democrat party. period. ever.
i hate to say it but ferd is right, the dems always get a pass, but not any republican, we dont get to play both sides, to bad for you chris, dt
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