Tulsa Report Day One

[freeatlast]

Day 2 thread has been started by Elder Epley......thanx elder....be well in Jesus name 1

[TrmptPraise]

We really can't go by the numbers posted here can we. I am not saying the 1500 number in inaccurate. What I am saying is that we have no break down of those in attendance. What percentage are UPC ministers, what percentage are independents looking for a fellowship, what percentage are "observers?" We really won't know what the actual number will be until this is over and we see the number of "sign ups."

[George]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Are you kiddddddding me? My goodness, Melody, you're a smart girl. Try to show it.

You're actually comparing a smut-propagating woman like Britney to the girl who voices over Dora the Explorer?

Some people never get it. Brittany doesn't have the HG, isn't baptized in Jesus Name and the Herles girl does have the HG and is baptized in Jesus name. I haven't been able to find any immodest pictures of her since Spring 07. Youth Cong. was Summer 07. Do we have to look holy for years before we can testify at church?
Thanks for defending Herles because in so doing you are defending our youth who are doing their best to live for God.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Melody

After last years youth congress I want an alternative for my children.
Is it wrong to want your children to hold dear the same things you were taught as a child? Earlier someone mentioned that things will just go more liberal, I don't want that, I want to grow closer to Godly principles.

If that were true you would BE a LIBERAL!!!!

[George]

Originally Posted by Melody

Did you know that this young lady, http://www.prphotos.com/store/catego...hleen%20Herles

http://images.google.com/images?sour...-revision&cd=1

was heralded at youth congress as someone our young ladies would want to pattern their lives after? It wasn't as if I was looking for "dirt" and it wasn't hard to find, a simple search brought this up.

Did you attend Youth Congress?
The young people in my church talked about everyone falling to their knees during praise and worship and crying out to God. Even the girls in their nice clothes. The entire arena was on their knees, tears streaming, and united in praise. Rather than see the strength they received, you have chosen to condemn one speaker and pose the question, "What do I tell my kids?" I propose you tell your kids that sometimes new converts are used because their testimonies are powerful and we need to pray the Lord strengthens this new convert. She is in a position to possibly win many influential people to God. We need to reach people of every status. Our churches are quick to pick up Sunday School children in the projects, but shy away from the rich and famous. The rich and famous need God, too. Don't kill her before she's grounded. I further propose you teach your kids there are hypocrites around us and we need to pray for them. We live in the real world and sheltering our youth from what we think is wrong is not teaching them. Teach them about convictions. Our young people are very conservative and attend meetings with conservatives and liberals. Because they have been taught and developed their own convictions, the liberals don't affect them and they even have liberal friends. The liberal youth respect our youth. I am responding to your question and do not wish to argue this subject. Please accept this with kindness.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The Tulsa group is not issuing licenses thus technically they are not in violation.

I find this very hard to believe. Everything else about the org. including the fact they have named national "holidays" based on their annual Summit and Youth Convocation points toward a full fledged org.

Not to mention the legal benefit and neccessity in some states of men who have left the UPC being licensed by some recognized licesning body.

I guess a way around this would be to have the main org. not issue license but then have some affiliated sub group do that. Perhaps based out of one of the founders church.

[PastorD]

Originally Posted by Theresa

well, TLC told me TO MY FACE that he wasnt going anywhere...this was very, very recently

and he said he was staying if nothing else to be a thorn in their side...


He said much more but I will not share it here...but he WAS intending on going to Tulsa but did NOT want to be part of the 7, he'd be part of the 50, but not the 7. He also told them they could put his wifes name on the ladies list, but she wouldnt be doing anything....


Pastor D, I dont know who you are or how you got your information but unless he told you something PERSONALLY, I'd suggest you not share the info.

And if he told you something different than what he told me just the other day, I'd be happy to call him and clarify the situation...He's not a liar, he's very plain spoken.

Since you are full of suggestions . . . . here's a couple more for you. 1-read all posts before you comment. I didn't say anything about TLC. 2- check your pm's.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by CC1

I find this very hard to believe. Everything else about the org. including the fact they have named national "holidays" based on their annual Summit and Youth Convocation points toward a full fledged org.

Not to mention the legal benefit and neccessity in some states of men who have left the UPC being licensed by some recognized licesning body.

I guess a way around this would be to have the main org. not issue license but then have some affiliated sub group do that. Perhaps based out of one of the founders church.

For the "Legal Holiday" to have any significance the group must have a membership and a means for accounting members. Otherwise I can demand that my employer give me Yom Kippur off just so I can go salmon fishing.

The WwPF seems to be trying to straddle a very fine line. This will only raise more charges of "unethical" behavior on the part of the organizers.

[Pragmatist]

Originally Posted by Melody

I didn't know that, but now maybe communication will be easier. Why send a flyer to churches that don't want to attend, I would want to be on the mailing list. So I can send my children. We have been in hotels with bible quizzers, and I'm not trying to start a debate on what you can or can't sleep in, but rather than confine girls in pajamas, (and in my opinion it is pants) to the hotel room, the chaperones weren't keeping the girls in the rooms, they weren't dressed whether in gowns or pajamas, but they were quiet comfortable walking down to breakfast etc.... I don't want my daughters to question.

What don't you want your daughters to question? That not everyone teaches the exact same thing as you or your church does?

I will teach my daughter about modesty and she will follow my idea of modesty as long as she lives under my roof. I will also teach her that some people are more strict and some are less; that everyone is in a different place in their walk with God and that we are not to judge others.

What other people do, whether they are in church or not, will not influence how I teach my daughter to dress.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by AGAPE

This is the most outstanding thing to happen in the Apostolic Movement since 1945 maybe since Azusa....

(course 1 soul being saved is faaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrr more important!)

How do you think this is awesome? And how does it compare to 1945?

Just curious.....