A letter from Bro. Haney

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by SISTER Murphy

That sure is a nice new age sentiment. Thank you so much.

Huh????? Did I miss something here?

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by tv1a

So in order to keep peace you propose people allow a certain group to continue to force unscriptural mandates on others?

Resoultion 4 does not force those against television to use television. It gives those who want to use television the opportunity to do so.

Unlike 1992 AS which forced people to decide to keep their affiliation, the 2007 tv resolution does not force anyone to leave the organization IF the do not advertise on television. The blame for the division can only be logically creditied to one side, the side who wants to leave.

I'm on your page, tv1a.

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

Do you know the Pastor I am talking about? He has been around the UPC before you were born and has personally seen the church start to sleep with the world.

I know the pastor you are talking about. He was my pastor before I married, and I was the youth leader in that church under his pastorate. His church is my home church, my family is still there. How do you know Pastor Langley?

[Fiyahstarter]

Or should I say, on your channel???

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by Dora

By far the most controversial topic of conversation between my peers during my involvement with the UPC was regarding standards. We bantered and countered and compared and debated and fussed and just about talked the issue to death.

Seems it is still the most controversial issue. Seems the Oneness Doctrine is not the dividing issue. But "Holiness Standards" as stated in the UPCI manual have been dividing good folks for years.

The reason, IMHO for this is the ambiguity of what constitutes "Holiness" as set forth in this "sacred document" -- There really is no STANDARD of holiness, as it varies from pastor to pastor, church to church, district to district. And it depends on which "club" your pastor has hitched his wagon to as to which of the standards are most important or what emphasis is placed on skirt length, TV watching, etc.

It's confusing. God is not the author of confusion.

To reword the manual's Standards of Holiness would be a great relief to many who just don't get it. A broader statement encouraging believers to use Holy Ghost discernment regarding making moral choices as to the movies they watch, or TV programs viewed, dressing in a modest fashion, etc. could make all the difference. Perhaps all the acrimony would be dissolved by dispensing with the laundry list and in agreeing that Christians should live in a manner that brings glory and honor to the name of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

BRILLIANT!!! DORA FOR PRESIDENT!

Originally Posted by jrLA

Hugh????

You know, the whole 'injecting some positive speaking into a very negative flow'. See, you are blessed to live in the 'Bible belt', but here in the Northwest, it is quite the New Age haven! Those New Age followers love the whole 'speaking positive' to change 'negative energy'. It isn't scriptural, but it makes a body 'feel good.'

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Doctrine of what .... Acts 2:38 part B?

You gloss over the Grace of God on calvay to place (ABI 2:38) on the alter.

But you stop and pause for your entire walk with God to share a doctrine of Hair that has nothing to do with getting into the Kingdom of God.

Do you preech that this "Hair" is a commandment after (ABI 2:38) experience?

How about the command of Christ in Matthew 19:21 and 22?

Jesus Speaking, "If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast and give to the poor, and thou shall have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."

But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

Does this mean that Christ is telling us all we need to sell everything and give it to the poor?

Christ says to be perfect! To have treasure in heaven you need to sell all and follow me.

You talk about Paul following Christ, Christ himself tells one to sell all and follow him.

Who do we follow Paul following Christ, or Follow Christ as Christ himself proclaims?

or could it be somethings are not salvational to the masses of saints in order to be saved.

The connection to the young man was he was rich..

To the Church at Corinth even Paul says we have no such custom.

This admonishment was specifically to Corinth because of their culture of that day...

Today we have no need to have this distinction of our woman cutting their hair to avoid appearing as those who have been found guilty of prostitution.

When you see a lady with cut hair today, do you tell yourself "I know what crime she has committed?"

You have never heard this argument.

because the Lord shared with me.

Outside the Grace of God and even the action of Acts 2:38.

God deals with individuals differently.

I think that many of those who abide by the rule book of the UPCI standards.

Do it as bind drones following rules and not personal convictions of the Lord.

When something is a commandment it is not a standard.

When you sell everything you have and give it to the poor as Christ spoke to the Young man.

Then I will instruct my wife to stop cutting her hair and I will throw out my TV.

I think the following of the Actual Christ is worth more than following one who says follow me as "I" follow Christ.

Yet you would not sell all and give it to the poor....

Nice ... Agreed.

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

your right, lets just take the book of corinthians out of the bible since its not for us.in fact im sure there is more, why dont you just tell me which books of the bible are not for us and i will stop preaching from them.

Huh? Is that your depth of understanding to what he said?

Originally Posted by SISTER Murphy

I know the pastor you are talking about. He was my pastor before I married, and I was the youth leader in that church under his pastorate. His church is my home church, my family is still there. How do you know Pastor Langley?

Hi and yes I live in Oregon....you know how big the Oregon District is? Of course I know Pastor Langley. The guy is like 2nd in command in Oregon lol

I knew some people he used to pastor. I also heard him preach a few times and once or twice about his home state.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I am 110% against anything to do with TV.

Neither will I fellowship those who are for it.

There are still some very good men and churches in the UPC

just because a person thinks advertising on TV is ok....maybe never watches...you'd turn your back on them ie disfellowship them? Insane