For those who want to know...RULES at my church!

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Malvaro

That wasn't a church, that was prison.... and you were inmate #102907....

not hard to figure why there is a websire with hjorror stories of former upc people, spiritualabuse.com I think.

Originally Posted by NightOwl

So I guess they want a bunch of people to just follow the preachers rules without any questions. I am not suggesting disobey but rather make sure what is taught is biblical.
What would the church Do if someone broke a rule, like start a study group with ministry involved. lol

We would get spanked from the pulpit...which we did often anyway...

[determined]

The examples given here are extreme...and I've heard quite a bit in my lifetime. Some UPC, some independent churches.

But there IS a lot of talk seemingly in Pentecostal/Apostolic churches of "Spiritual Authority" and it seems that this type of thing happens. People are driven by fear to submit.

So, what is scriptural basis for spiritual authority? What/who is "authority"? What "authority" does a pastor have over the church members.

I see this as a problem in lots of areas - standards, of course, but otherwise. Church attendance, how people spend their time and money. People are confused and then led to become fearful, often being told something bad will happen to their children.

Originally Posted by determined

The examples given here are extreme...and I've heard quite a bit in my lifetime. Some UPC, some independent churches.

But there IS a lot of talk seemingly in Pentecostal/Apostolic churches of "Spiritual Authority" and it seems that this type of thing happens. People are driven by fear to submit.

So, what is scriptural basis for spiritual authority? What/who is "authority"? What "authority" does a pastor have over the church members.

I see this as a problem in lots of areas - standards, of course, but otherwise. Church attendance, how people spend their time and money. People are confused and then led to become fearful, often being told something bad will happen to their children.

that was how it was....so sad....I am so grateful to be out .....

[Revelationist]

I'm not surprised, I've seen it before...

Originally Posted by Revelationist

I'm not surprised, I've seen it before...

does it not grieve you....???

[Thad]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

Yup ...dis obedience is as the sin of witchcraft. there was no room for questioning anything that was taught.

Men's pants had to have belt loops on them. This was back when Sans abelt pants came out.

Mens pants had to have a cuff on them.

Mens shoes could not come up the ankle like a half boot...that was just gay..he called them sissy shoes. (Strangley, they were the same shoe Br N. Ushan wore ;-)

No hair cream /gel, for men. hair spray was gay.

He actually spoke about guys who washed there hair everday as vain and wanting to look worldly.

Got enought yet Thad ??? I got more

I want MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE !!!!!

what COULD a man use on his hair ? lard?

[Thad]

Originally Posted by Revelationist

I'm not surprised, I've seen it before...

what have YOU seen ?

[Thad]

Originally Posted by determined

The examples given here are extreme...and I've heard quite a bit in my lifetime. Some UPC, some independent churches.

But there IS a lot of talk seemingly in Pentecostal/Apostolic churches of "Spiritual Authority" and it seems that this type of thing happens. People are driven by fear to submit.

So, what is scriptural basis for spiritual authority? What/who is "authority"? What "authority" does a pastor have over the church members.

I see this as a problem in lots of areas - standards, of course, but otherwise. Church attendance, how people spend their time and money. People are confused and then led to become fearful, often being told something bad will happen to their children.

Tell me the ones you have heard in your lifetime - thanks !

I once heard a preacher preach that women need to have thier hair pulled back and no curls around the face beacause those were sex curls.

When I was growing up a new some young people who said their pastor would not allow them to date young people from another church unless they talked to him first. If it was approved they could only talk like twice a week on the phone and see each other once a week.

I am so thankful that I have never set under a pastor who preached things that were crazy.