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[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by QueenEsther

Awhile back on NFCF I posted about a young man my husband went to school with, he had started coming to church and got baptized. He just received the HG about 2 weeks ago. Hallelujah!! ANd he struggles alot. He has a lot of emotional problems due to his upbringing and his friends that he has had since before he got saved give him alot of grief about changing his way and going to church. Well, to cut to the chase he just called me (which means he is desperate) saying he was just tired of it and was not coming back to church and he is having alot of issues. I told him I would have my husband call him as soon as he got off of work. He really needs prayer if you have the time to say a prayer for him TONIGHT, that would be wonderful. His name is Kyle.

Will pray QE!

You know, there are so many who are hurting and need emotional healing. We must love these people and show compassion. There are a couple of ladies in our church who have gone through soooo much and have been back in church for about a year. Its a burden of mine to help the hurting.

[Margies3]

Hooray! I got the DVD for the funeral home finished

QE, I'll be praying for Kyle starting right now!

We had a very tragic thing happen in Toledo this last week. One of the police officers was shot and killed by a 15 year old boy at 2:00 am. He and another officer had stopped this kid and a 19 year old. It had something to do with a drug deal. The boys took off running and then the 15 year old turned and shot the officer right in the chest, killing him instantly.

The mayor of Toledo is now trying to push a thing through City Council that will hold PARENTS responsible when their kids get in trouble. Ooooo boy!! That's a tough one. One the one hand, I want to agree with the idea. On the other, what happens when you have good parents who have a kid who just refuses to listen?? I've seen parents who are strong in the church who have kids who go bad and get in trouble. What happens then??? Boy, oh boy. I'm not sure if there is a good answer to this problem. Sad, just so sad!

What do you all think?

[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by Margies3

Hooray! I got the DVD for the funeral home finished

QE, I'll be praying for Kyle starting right now!

We had a very tragic thing happen in Toledo this last week. One of the police officers was shot and killed by a 15 year old boy at 2:00 am. He and another officer had stopped this kid and a 19 year old. It had something to do with a drug deal. The boys took off running and then the 15 year old turned and shot the officer right in the chest, killing him instantly.

The mayor of Toledo is now trying to push a thing through City Council that will hold PARENTS responsible when their kids get in trouble. Ooooo boy!! That's a tough one. One the one hand, I want to agree with the idea. On the other, what happens when you have good parents who have a kid who just refuses to listen?? I've seen parents who are strong in the church who have kids who go bad and get in trouble. What happens then??? Boy, oh boy. I'm not sure if there is a good answer to this problem. Sad, just so sad!

What do you all think?

Oh boy Margie, this is a tough one! However, no matter how well you raise your children and no matter how great a Christian you are and no matter that you've done everything right (which we know no one is able to), our kids still have a choice. God gives us all a choice to do good or bad. Some kids just don't want to serve God and do what's right...I'm sure there are many on this forum who could testify to this. I would hate to see the parents responsible. Now I know, that there are many instances where the kid was raised in a horrible invironment and the parents were not a good influence, but what about the homes that are safe and godly? This could be a huge mistake.

[Margies3]

Originally Posted by CareyM

Oh boy Margie, this is a tough one! However, no matter how well you raise your children and no matter how great a Christian you are and no matter that you've done everything right (which we know no one is able to), our kids still have a choice. God gives us all a choice to do good or bad. Some kids just don't want to serve God and do what's right...I'm sure there are many on this forum who could testify to this. I would hate to see the parents responsible. Now I know, that there are many instances where the kid was raised in a horrible invironment and the parents were not a good influence, but what about the homes that are safe and godly? This could be a huge mistake.

Carey, that was my thought when I first heard the mayor come up with this. There are just too many good parents, who've done the best they know to do, who have kids who just refuse to live right.

On the other hand, there are parents like the single mother of this boy. Her answer to this whole catastrophy? "He's not a bad boy. He just got into the wrong crowd". So sad!! Has she never made him take responsibility for his own actions? Is that why something like this happened?

And then the other thing to think about in this case:
They are pushing to have this boy tried as an adult. If that happens and he is convicted (which he will be), his sentence will most likely be life in an adult prison without chance of parole. I agree he needs to be punished -- severely!! But in an adult prison?? I guess I'd like to him transferred to an adult prison AFTER he becomes an adult. There would no chance at all of reform if he was put into an adult prison at this stage in his life. NONE.

Boy, oh boy, the world is a sad, sad place, isn't it!

[myhaloisintheshop]

I agree with Carey--Its scary as a parent to think of doing all you know to do and your kids be so violent.

My grandmother raised her kids in church and all of them have problems --the youngest has been in jail many times and spent time in prision. He still lives a horrible lifestyle.

But on the other hand....

I didn't grow up in church. My homelife was often violent. But I had a choice even as a young person on which road to take. Thankfully I had a prayin grandma that helped me along the way.

All of my siblings live for God but we all have said at points in our life that it (God) was our only source of peace.

[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by Margies3

Carey, that was my thought when I first heard the mayor come up with this. There are just too many good parents, who've done the best they know to do, who have kids who just refuse to live right.

On the other hand, there are parents like the single mother of this boy. Her answer to this whole catastrophy? "He's not a bad boy. He just got into the wrong crowd". So sad!! Has she never made him take responsibility for his own actions? Is that why something like this happened?

And then the other thing to think about in this case:
They are pushing to have this boy tried as an adult. If that happens and he is convicted (which he will be), his sentence will most likely be life in an adult prison without chance of parole. I agree he needs to be punished -- severely!! But in an adult prison?? I guess I'd like to him transferred to an adult prison AFTER he becomes an adult. There would no chance at all of reform if he was put into an adult prison at this stage in his life. NONE.

Boy, oh boy, the world is a sad, sad place, isn't it!

Yes Margie, it is a sad place. My brother was in a similar situation with parents (he's my half brother) who did not hold him responsible for anything...he was a terror! Anyway, when he was about 21 he killed a guy and my mom's first response was, Jimmy said he didn't do it and I believe him. OH, come on people! Needless to say, I was angry at my mom for siding with him...in the end he confessed to the murder. He's now in jail until he's in his mid to late 50's...and I'm glad.

This kid you're talking about, I'm not sure he belongs in an adult prison...although killing someone is typically an adult crime. I don't know...it's so easy for me to be unsympathetic toward this kind of thing.

[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by myhaloisintheshop

I agree with Carey--Its scary as a parent to think of doing all you know to do and your kids be so violent.

My grandmother raised her kids in church and all of them have problems --the youngest has been in jail many times and spent time in prision. He still lives a horrible lifestyle.

But on the other hand....

I didn't grow up in church. My homelife was often violent. But I had a choice even as a young person on which road to take. Thankfully I had a prayin grandma that helped me along the way.

All of my siblings live for God but we all have said at points in our life that it (God) was our only source of peace.

Same here! Isn't God good!!!

[myhaloisintheshop]

God is soooo good.

My sister is often bitter about what we had to deal with as kids but ya know it has made me a better person. If anything it taught me how not to treat my kids or spouse.

God sure had his hand on me.

I would never put my 4 boys through what I went through

[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by myhaloisintheshop

God is soooo good.

My sister is often bitter about what we had to deal with as kids but ya know it has made me a better person. If anything it taught me how not to treat my kids or spouse.

God sure had his hand on me.

I would never put my 4 boys through what I went through

Me either!

I didn't know you had 4 boys...or did I? LOL

[myhaloisintheshop]

I don't know..i'm not sure if I have ever mentioned I had 4 kids...

I have Bryen-9, Chase-8, Dylan-5 and Eric-3