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Old 09-20-2023, 11:58 AM
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Yeah, that's why I say law enforcement or security jobs are probably OK. I'm very specific in this topic. When you join the army, you will not have the choice of what kind of war you are going to end up in or whether the war is justified or not.

Also, the "brethren among brethren" I'm talking about is not national identity or even people calling themselves Christians, but people full of the Spirit of God, ... that tiny minority in Christiandom.

Hey, its all pardoned under the "obey the ruling authorities" clause. Whats your worry? All that love, peace, joy, longseffering, forgiving your enemies stuff takes a back seat to the military industrial complex cause goobermints say so.


If you're ok with bloodshed by your hands at the orders of your governments, everything else on down they advocate for ought to be forgiven by the Lord too right?


Right?......


Cause....goverment....and obedience....right?


Almost like the enemy has a backdoor into influencing our behavior when someone plays a song or waves a colored sky cloth over lines drawn by men...I mean its not like the Earth is the Lords and the fullness thereof....right?


Im sure He wont mind what we do on His creation with His creation....after all....they are the government and they would NEVER lead us wrong.


Right?


Im very sure that people have a perfectly godly reasonable excuse for ending the lives of men women and children that has nothing to do with money...especially profits made through war.


Peace is expensive and we only get peace when theres absolute silence after the mad scramble to overthrow and dominate.


Peaceful as the grave...just like we like it.
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Old 09-20-2023, 01:39 PM
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Hey, its all pardoned under the "obey the ruling authorities" clause. Whats your worry? All that love, peace, joy, longseffering, forgiving your enemies stuff takes a back seat to the military industrial complex cause goobermints say so.


If you're ok with bloodshed by your hands at the orders of your governments, everything else on down they advocate for ought to be forgiven by the Lord too right?


Right?......


Cause....goverment....and obedience....right?


Almost like the enemy has a backdoor into influencing our behavior when someone plays a song or waves a colored sky cloth over lines drawn by men...I mean its not like the Earth is the Lords and the fullness thereof....right?


Im sure He wont mind what we do on His creation with His creation....after all....they are the government and they would NEVER lead us wrong.


Right?


Im very sure that people have a perfectly godly reasonable excuse for ending the lives of men women and children that has nothing to do with money...especially profits made through war.


Peace is expensive and we only get peace when theres absolute silence after the mad scramble to overthrow and dominate.


Peaceful as the grave...just like we like it.
Killing as result of self-defense, or to punish a murder (e.g. you are the executor after a court decided), is not a sin.

Also, we all know where the balance is regarding obedience to the govt.
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Thinking about scripture both Abraham and David had in their company men trained for war. Peace was always preferable. But as Coksiw said, self defense was allowable. In David's case he had a mandate to destroy the inhabitants of the land.

In the New Testament again peace is preferred, yet at least some of Jesus' followers were armed.

Currently though are there any just wars?
I'm not for fighting wars all over the globe.
I am interested in closing our borders to illegals.
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Praxeas got an interesting point
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Killing as result of self-defense, or to punish a murder (e.g. you are the executor after a court decided), is not a sin.

Also, we all know where the balance is regarding obedience to the govt.

Do we? I mean seriously...will the average Christian have the guts to toe that line and stay on the right side when ordered by an authority to cross it?
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Do we? I mean seriously...will the average Christian have the guts to toe that line and stay on the right side when ordered by an authority to cross it?
Didn't we already find that out back in 2020?
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Didn't we already find that out back in 2020?
We sure did.

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