Tony Spell has church in spite of the ban

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by Esaias

21 people at a Chicago hospital? A Colorado hospital with 1 case? And they have no thermometers at a hospital?

Thanks for the update.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Time tells all.

Why this has to be a big show is what I’m not understanding. To use Paul dying at the hands of Nero makes no sense to me. Is there a spirit of fear coming against the church, absolutely! We war in the spirit not a press conference, like I said before there is something else going on behind the scenes. This doesn’t feel right to me.

I know some on here believe in rebellion is ok, as long as its for the “gospel sake” and if you do thats all up to. Yet, we have this virus man made or not we have this situation, and it is real my mom and sisters all work in hospitals and they’re seeing the affects of this virus first hand.

So, the government states not to have gatherings of 10 or more or whatever it is now. That not only affects the church, it also affects sporting events have closed, malls, concerts, restaurants and others. We’re having home services here, am I scared no I am not. Do I agree with others that want to make this to be a big deal no I don't. I believe if the government came to my house and asked for my guns, I would give it to them, why because the meek shall inherit the earth.

I trust in God not the government, I fight in the spirit not in the physical. The church is powerful, the church is flexible. If the government says no large gatherings then we obey and we figure another way to have service. The government has not asked anyone to denounce God, it has not asked us to die for what we believe in. Yet, some of you conspiracy guys are sure making it sound like that.

I’m so glad I’m not down there in the Bible Belt, all that competition with church’s, thank you Jesus I don't have to worry about that.

Nico - I think this is the fundamental difference between my viewpoint and others. We (I) am the government. The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution outline the governments role and where it stops. My family has shed too much blood, sweat and tears for me to go quietly into that good night.
The government will always strive for more power and it is up to us to tell it when it has over-reached.
It is plain that it has over-reached in this case and you now see Texas and Florida exempting religious gatherings from their edicts.
So, I believe Tony Spell and other pastors have effected a change.
My question for you (since you would willingly give up your guns) is where would you draw the line at government interference?
Would you fight if they took your children to raise away from your bigoted religious viewpoint (at least that has been governments reasoning in other countries).
Where would you draw the line?

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Esaias

21 people at a Chicago hospital? A Colorado hospital with 1 case? And they have no thermometers at a hospital?

Thanks for the update.

I cant give you room number, and name of the patient. Both Hospitals are scrambling to contain the virus. They dont have enough supplies. What info would you like?

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Nico - I think this is the fundamental difference between my viewpoint and others. We (I) am the government. The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution outline the governments role and where it stops. My family has shed too much blood, sweat and tears for me to go quietly into that good night.
The government will always strive for more power and it is up to us to tell it when it has over-reached.
It is plain that it has over-reached in this case and you now see Texas and Florida exempting religious gatherings from their edicts.
So, I believe Tony Spell and other pastors have effected a change.
My question for you (since you would willingly give up your guns) is where would you draw the line at government interference?
Would you fight if they took your children to raise away from your bigoted religious viewpoint (at least that has been governments reasoning in other countries).
Where would you draw the line?

Tony Spell will have to live with his decision. Was it right? I don't think it was, to me its nothing but a pride issue.

The Bible says...

Philippians 2:7-8
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: [8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

As far as your theory of the government taking my kids away. If that time comes, I will trust in God. Do I trust in the government, No! With that said, I’m not some zealot thats going to fight against them. The people gave the government this power, and governments will always have power.

We are told to be...

Matthew 10:16
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Jesus tells us he’s sending us in the midst of wolves, and were sheep! Why would Jesus tell us to be wise as serpents and HARMLESS as doves? Do we fight with force? Does a sheep fight against a wolf? Will the sheep win? I don‘t think so! If your of the thinking that if the government tried to take my guns, “it’ll be over my dead body”. Thats not being wise, and thats not being harmless, instead of asking about situations we may never face, how about you and I become more like Jesus. He made himself of no reputation, and lived a life as a servant and was obedient.

You’ll stand for a country, you speak of your family that has shed blood, sweat, and tears. How about you take your eyes off this physical place that means nothing. Use the same determination that you have for this country and convert that for the spiritual kingdom, how about you ask God to open your eyes to see what you have never seen. Apostolics/Pentecostals need to get their eyes off this earth and get their eyes on the kingdom of God. This world is not our home....

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I’m thrilled that Brother Bernard’s wife endorses his opinion of the constitution. I have known that this is how he interprets it.

He is wrong. Him studying the constitution doesn’t make him right. Almost all legal cases have attorneys arguing both sides of the case. All attorneys have studied, and passed the bar. Almost all cases have one attorney that is ruled against by either a judge or jury. In other words, that attorney was wrong. Brother Bernard is the attorney that is wrong.


I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Brother Spell has an attorney, that has studied constitutional law, that believes he is on sound legal footing. It’s called an opinion.

Well, it’s pretty obvious that Brother Spell has found some attorneys, or perhaps been found by some attorneys, that believe Brother Bernard is wrong, according to the video that nDavid posted.

Amazing how judges and attorneys can read the same law, and arrive at different conclusions. It reminds me of here on AFF how people can read the same Bible and come up with different opinions.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Well, it’s pretty obvious that Brother Spell has found some attorneys, or perhaps been found by some attorneys, that believe Brother Bernard is wrong, according to the video that nDavid posted.

Amazing how judges and attorneys can read the same law, and arrive at different conclusions. It reminds me of here on AFF how people can read the same Bible and come up with different opinions.

Bro. Spell brought in Rob Moore from Alabama. He was in trouble a year or two ago because of some accusations. Now I guess he is going to represent Bro. Spell or help him because he is not licensed in Louisiana.

What was the reason? Why couldn’t they break into small cell groups, why go through all this?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Tony Spell will have to live with his decision. Was it right? I don't think it was, to me its nothing but a pride issue.

The Bible says...

Philippians 2:7-8
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: [8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

As far as your theory of the government taking my kids away. If that time comes, I will trust in God. Do I trust in the government, No! With that said, I’m not some zealot thats going to fight against them. The people gave the government this power, and governments will always have power.

We are told to be...

Matthew 10:16
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Jesus tells us he’s sending us in the midst of wolves, and were sheep! Why would Jesus tell us to be wise as serpents and HARMLESS as doves? Do we fight with force? Does a sheep fight against a wolf? Will the sheep win? I don‘t think so! If your of the thinking that if the government tried to take my guns, “it’ll be over my dead body”. Thats not being wise, and thats not being harmless, instead of asking about situations we may never face, how about you and I become more like Jesus. He made himself of no reputation, and lived a life as a servant and was obedient.

You’ll stand for a country, you speak of your family that has shed blood, sweat, and tears. How about you take your eyes off this physical place that means nothing. Use the same determination that you have for this country and convert that for the spiritual kingdom, how about you ask God to open your eyes to see what you have never seen. Apostolics/Pentecostals need to get their eyes off this earth and get their eyes on the kingdom of God. This world is not our home....

Then there’s this . . .


Luke.22

[36] Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

And this . . .

John 2


[13] And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
[14] And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
[15] And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
[16] And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

When I grow up I want to be just like Him!

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Then there’s this . . .


Luke.22

[36] Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

And this . . .

John 2


[13] And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
[14] And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
[15] And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
[16] And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

When I grow up I want to be just like Him!

Did Jesus have a sword?

And yes brother, if your church starts selling doves and oxen, and sheep for sacrifice please overthrow the tables.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Birddog

Uh huh.....

Right.

Is this jealousy speaking?

Just wondering.

Jealousy of what? Jealousy of a man who has destroyed decades of a good name by endangering his church folks and his community?

Oh good grief. I am just saddened and embarrassed at what this man is doing. It is making Christ followers look foolish because it is a foolish thing to do.

This is not a conservative vs liberal issue. This is a wise vs foolish issue.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by n david

Spell held an hour-long press conference beginning with the pledge of allegiance.

He stated they're willing to "hazard our lives" for the Gospel's sake.

Several times throughout the presser, he blasted employers who have fired his church members, telling them "may God have mercy on your souls." Also told one to "bring it on."

He quoted Paul, "to be absent from the body," then said it's why Paul RAN and put his head on the chopping block so he could be with Jesus. I missed that part in scripture.

He won't abandon his faith or convictions because "rats always abandon sinking ships."

He brought in Roy Moore to speak along with a few attorneys. They will be filing civil action against the state soon.

Spell says none of his congregants are sick or have had symptoms of COVID-19.

Well, as long as he said the pledge of allegience it should all be good!