Why Sunday

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

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Thank you as always for your time. Have a great day, brother!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

You might ask about Hebrews 8:13:

Hebrews 8:13 (AV)
In that he saith,
A new covenant, he hath made the first old.
Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away

Some say this points to 70 AD.

The Levitical priesthood did function in that interim period, with supernatural events occurring.

Tithemeister also pointed to this verse:

2 Cor 3:13 (AV)
And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face,
that the children of Israel could not stedfastly
look to the end of that which is abolished:

Tithesmeister is either confused about the difference between the old covenant and the laws of God, or is equivocating the two as is common in these types of discussions.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Many believe that Abraham was aware of the creation sabbath, and kept the day.

Genesis 26:5 (AV)
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice,
and kept my charge, my commandments,
my statutes, and my laws.

Thus the command to the Israelites was to "remember", not to "institute", and the connection was made to the creation.

Exodos 20:8-11 (AV)
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God:
in it thou shalt not do any work,
thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter,
thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle,
nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth,
the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day:
wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Once again I can say I enjoy the thread, and appreciate everybody's attitude and sincerity in this.

To say that Abraham knew about the Sabbath and kept it, is not substantial enough according to the scriptures and what it reveals to us. Many may believe that, but that in itself, obviously, doesn't make it true.

Also, to remember the Sabbath, doesn't necessarily mean man had been keeping it, or told to keep it, before Moses came along. We know that God rested, but that's all there was said about it. Man was never distinctly told to keep it until the time of Moses. They remember that God rested, and for the first time they were invited to join that Sabbath rest on the seventh day, with no record of man ever being told before that. Or, it could be a command for them to begin remembering to keep it after it was placed in the ten commandment.

When Moses talked about Sabbath when it came to the manna and how much to pick up on the sixth day and not pick up any on the Sabbath, we are shown that when they rebelled, it was only after Moses introduced it to them before the 7th day arrived to see them disobey. Their Disobedience wasn't from Generations before that they had disobeyed, but only since Moses directed them with instructions about the Manna.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Once again I can say I enjoy the thread, and appreciate everybody's attitude and sincerity in this.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Tithesmeister is either confused about the difference between the old covenant and the laws of God, or is equivocating the two as is common in these types of discussions.

Somebody is confused. His name is Esaias. The old covenant was the law. The ark of the covenant contained what?

The covenant. That is according to the Bible.

Exodus 34 AV

28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

So Esaias, either you are confused, or the Bible is wrong. I think I’ll stick with the Bible. Many times the Bible refers to the Ten Commandments as the covenant. Check it out.

So do you believe that the old covenant (the Ten Commandments and other statutes of the Mosaic law):

Have ended?

Will end in the future?

Will never end?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

You might ask about Hebrews 8:13:

Hebrews 8:13 (AV)
In that he saith,
A new covenant, he hath made the first old.
Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away

Some say this points to 70 AD.

The Levitical priesthood did function in that interim period, with supernatural events occurring.

Tithemeister also pointed to this verse:

2 Cor 3:13 (AV)
And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face,
that the children of Israel could not stedfastly
look to the end of that which is abolished:

Thank you!

The covenant, (which the Ten Commandments are part of, whether or not Esaias will admit it) is now the OLD covenant. The existence of a new covenant, made the one that contains the Ten Commandments old. That same old covenant is the one that was waxing old and decaying, almost two thousand years ago. Part of that old covenant (ten commandments) is the one that Esaias holds near and dear; to remember the sabbath. He refuses to believe that it has gone away. It’s sad. 😢

So Esaias would lead people (misleads people) to believe that I am confused. Because if I am not confused, then he is wrong. And he has too much invested in this doctrine to admit his mistakes.

That’s my opinion anyway.

By the way, I am one of those who believe that it is logical that the vanish away phrase is referring to 70AD.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Once again I can say I enjoy the thread, and appreciate everybody's attitude and sincerity in this.

Well, it looks like Tithemother put an end to that.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Well, it looks like Tithemother put an end to that.

Sad but true.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Sad but true.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Thank you! The covenant, (which the Ten Commandments are part of, whether or not Esaias will admit it) is now the OLD covenant. ... Part of that old covenant (ten commandments) .

Just to be clear, I see the 10 commandments as God’s royal law, not as the “old covenant.”

Trying to discard the decalogue is a very questionable antinomian perspective, and is not historical Christianity.