7th Day Sabbath not for New Testament believers

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Okay. Wow! You are sure good at ducking and dodging. Almost admirable but kind of sad at the same time. How about we deal with adultery in Genesis.

Ducking and dodging? Did I not address the question as to why Cain was not executed for killing Abel? Yet you just squeak out "ducking and dodging" and want to move on to another point?

I think it's obvious you fumbled the ball and wound up in the wrong end zone, and are trying for another touchdown before the referee stops the play and updates the scoreboard.

But let's hang out for a moment more on this subject. Cain killed Abel in what looks like a spur of the moment rage. This would normally expose him to the vengeance of a kinsman, considering there were no witnesses to the murder. God told Israel to set aside cities of refuge so a manslaughterer could escape a mighty irritated kinsman. Here, God sent Cain away from his kinsmen, thus demonstrating not only the law concerning trial and execution of capital offenses (what you called "ducking and dodging" lol) , but also in a sense demonstrating the principle underlying the whole purpose behind the law concerning cities of refuge.

Which I never saw before, so thanks for giving me an opportunity to learn something new.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Ducking and dodging? Did I not address the question as to why Cain was not executed for killing Abel? Yet you just squeak out "ducking and dodging" and want to move on to another point?

I think it's obvious you fumbled the ball and wound up in the wrong end zone, and are trying for another touchdown before the referee stops the play and updates the scoreboard.

But let's hang out for a moment more on this subject. Cain killed Abel in what looks like a spur of the moment rage. This would normally expose him to the vengeance of a kinsman, considering there were no witnesses to the murder. God told Israel to set aside cities of refuge so a manslaughterer could escape a mighty irritated kinsman. Here, God sent Cain away from his kinsmen, thus demonstrating not only the law concerning trial and execution of capital offenses (what you called "ducking and dodging" lol) , but also in a sense demonstrating the principle underlying the whole purpose behind the law concerning cities of refuge.

Which I never saw before, so thanks for giving me an opportunity to learn something new.

Imagine that!!!! Something you can’t see??? Say it ain’t so!!!

I know.


Snarky!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Imagine that!!!! Something you can’t see??? Say it ain’t so!!!

I know.


Snarky!

You should try it sometime. Learning something new, that is.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You should try it sometime. Learning something new, that is.

But I am trying to learn you something new!

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You should try it sometime. Learning something new, that is.

Good morning, Bro. Esaias!

I know this wasn't a response to me, but *I* would like to continue learning. (I have found this thread very, very interesting.) Can you tell me which law is being referenced in Romans 2:14?

Thank you for any guidance you can provide!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Ehud

Good morning, Bro. Esaias!

I know this wasn't a response to me, but *I* would like to continue learning. (I have found this thread very, very interesting.) Can you tell me which law is being referenced in Romans 2:14?

Thank you for any guidance you can provide!

For if the gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves.

The gentiles (nations) were not given the torah, the Instruction that God gave to Israel, which contains the commandments, statutes, and judgments of God, and are not part of the Sinaitic covenant. Yet, those among the gentiles who do the things contained in the torah (Divine Instruction), that is, they obey the commandments, statutes, judgments, etc of the law "by nature" (not as tributaries or servants to Judeans but in their gentile state or condition) function as if they were, indeed, covenanted with God complete with a Divinely given Instruction (torah).

This (their doing the things contained in the law) demonstrate the doing ("work") of "the law written in their hearts" (verse 15), which is what the new covenant includes: God writing His laws in the hearts and minds. This is Paul proving that the gentiles have access to the new covenant, by the way, without being circumcised and becoming Jews. Verses 26-29 show that the true circumcision (the true "covenanting with God") is the inward heart circumcision that results in genuine obedience to the will of God from the heart, which is a sign God has written His laws in the heart.

[Esaias]

By the way, I use the word "torah" because it has certain connotations that with "law" (in English) might not be too easily seen. The law or "torah" is Instruction, contained in or expressed by commandments, statutes, judgments, and ordinances, as well as by the various regulations of sacrifices, as well as by the historical narratives found in Genesis through Deuteronomy. All of that is torah. And further the words of the Psalms and Prophets, the histories of the Old Testament scriptures, all provide commentary and explanation and application of torah (God's Instruction). The New Testament further applies and interprets God's Instruction, showing how the new covenant is the culmination of, climactic application of, and true and genuine end goal of God's Instruction.

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by Esaias

This is Paul proving that the gentiles have access to the new covenant, by the way, without being circumcised and becoming Jews. Verses 26-29 show that the true circumcision (the true "covenanting with God") is the inward heart circumcision that results in genuine obedience to the will of God from the heart, which is a sign God has written His laws in the heart.

Thank you very much for the response!

I have heard many times that this passage is applicable to those who have never heard of Christ. Do you believe this is true, or is this passage speaking only of those gentiles who have been reached by the gospel?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Ehud

Thank you very much for the response!

I have heard many times that this passage is applicable to those who have never heard of Christ. Do you believe this is true, or is this passage speaking only of those gentiles who have been reached by the gospel?

I believe the whole chapter, but especially verse 15, and verse 29, show that Paul is talking about gentile Christians.

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I believe the whole chapter, but especially verse 15, and verse 29, shoe that Paul is talking about gentile Christians.

Thank you again. I will continue my reading with all of this in mind.