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Originally Posted by Esaias
I'm sorry, Peter, I can't even make sense out of what you're trying to say. You say one thing, then seem to contradict yourself, back and forth.
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i AM SORRY TOO.
Maybe is the language?: or the spiritual language too.
Maybe bother your oneness language and that did the confusion.
Look i believe in One God . His name is Jesus. (agree here?)
However i said that me and all church ,we are alarm, because of a heresy.
That is people who refer as Oneness and yes they seem to believe the same as we, "Jesus is God" ,"The Fther came in flesh" etc. but they hide a heresy behind that.
Maybe they are not all of them heretical ,but i assume that they dont know how Jesus is God, How God has a Son and yet is one God. (the same as trititarians, they know Jesus is Lord God,but theologically they go too far).
They never use the Grate revelation in which Church is based ,that : Jesus is the Son of God,
they always teach half truth ,that Jesus is God etc. but never touch the Son..
they teach that God became a man. that is heresy. Is different that God came in a man and lived like an example for us, and then resurrected him, and gave him all his glory and diferent that God became flesh...and became obedient to him self etc.
Then many of them teach that the Father was also his Son, that is why they have endless conversations with trienys and never quit. They are not able? to preach the Son of God (that was preached by Apostles,all over the book of Acts and epistles) and so they seem to refuse the Son.
They also sometimes teach that God played a role ,and so pritending to be human ..that deadly heresy from hell.
Others teach that God is not trinity
but yet they teach is three modes..
So when the bible says that Father loved his Son..looks like one mode loved the other.
Yes Jesus is the image opf the invisible God but not just an image or mode or a manifestation , but The only image, the only manifestation..(i hope you are with me)
So even through ignorance ,many "oneness" fall apart by deny the Son of God.
(it does not make you think, that the many oneness fight to teach again and again that Jesus is the Father. (which is roght is the Father in flesh) but, the Bible never refers toJesus as Father (except that Father was in Christ) and actually always accompany the name of Jesus with the Son? is not looks strange that all the Bible is written to prove tat Jesus is the Son of God, and yet those folks never say so?)
Now with that lastone i know you allready say "he does not be;ioeve Jesus is God" but not! i believe that Jesus i9s the Father manifest in flesh. That is the mystery and the Church is upon that truth:
"God manifest in flesh" and
"You are the Chist,the Son of the lieved God"
So is not to choose one or the other but to preach that in harmony.
Thre was a heresy at the years of John writed his epistle, thnat teached :"God came in flesh, Jesus was God the Father, but that body was not actually real human,etc. So he writes and emphasises that Jesus is the Son of God.
Anyway, i hope you understand and be aware of that heresy, and also i hope to dont be upset with me. i be;ieve in one God and Lord, i did not said something that is not in the Bible. That what i described is just a heresy and they are very fiew. Also they seem to be sincere people that they are not able to brake down that mystery,. Even trinitarians when they receive the Spirit thay praise Lord Jesus as their God and Lord, but then they mixed up with their Theology. The same goes with that people (i hope). They are not able to teach One God in Christ and yet One God. they think that whenever Scripture makes a distinction between Father and Son or Spirit and Flesh, that speaks of two Gods. (lie what happened to me ,when i posted about the Son
i just quoted Bible and many some people became upset with me).
(if you want to see if you are influenced by them , just answer to your self that:
"When you teach -preach Jesus to someone, do you avoid to say that "Jesus the Son of God came"? Do you feel that is better to start from the end, and say "God came in flesh and died for us"?
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20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
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