This morning's sermon on tithing - Page 4

1ofthechosen · #31 10-22-2018, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Please demonstrate 1) how the Sabbath is a type of the Holy Ghost per Heb. 4; 2) how your rule that "once holy always holy" has an exception clause, and 3) how this exception clause does not apply to the priestly anointing oil. Or, conversely, 4) how the anointing oil is NOT a type of the Holy Ghost.

You believe 8th day circumcision of the foreskin of the male sexual organ and the establishment and maintenance of Moses' Tabernacle are "still in observance"? What?

I never said they were a type of anything.

1 It was a type so it's still in observance you cited the passage so no need to go there. And I would totally agree about what you said in the Apothecary also being a type of the Holy Ghost.

2. Yes circumcision was only for males in the OT. But that was a type of NT baptism that is a covenant for all male and women which is also a antitype of mikeveh. Yes the covenant is still in observance today in baptism, but only fulfilled. Circumcision was only a type of baptism.

I know you didn't say they were a type of anything but the thing you listed was a type. Which we see was fulfilled in Hebrews 4 (I don't have time to do all this right now, but you said exactly where it was so you know.)

Esaias · #32 10-22-2018, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

1 It was a type so it's still in observance you cited the passage so no need to go there. And I would totally agree about what you said in the Apothecary also being a type of the Holy Ghost.

2. Yes circumcision was only for males in the OT. But that was a type of NT baptism that is a covenant for all male and women which is also a antitype of mikeveh. Yes the covenant is still in observance today in baptism, but only fulfilled. Circumcision was only a type of baptism.

I know you didn't say they were a type of anything but the thing you listed was a type. Which we see was fulfilledHebrews 4 (I don't have time to do all this right now, but you said exactly where it was so you know.)

So you are saying that circumcision, the Tabernacle, and the oil are still holy but in their New Covenant sense? I can agree with that, at this point, although it might be good for you to clarify exactly what you mean. As for Heb 4, you brought it up so I was asking you to demonstrate how that chapter says the seventh day Sabbath is a type of the Holy Ghost.

BTW, I know it's slightly off topic, but I disagree that circumcision is a type of baptism. I would say it is rather a type of regeneration, and includes repentance, faith, baptism, and the Holy Ghost.

Originalist · #33 10-22-2018, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

So you are saying that circumcision, the Tabernacle, and the oil are still holy but in their New Covenant sense? I can agree with that, at this point, although it might be good for you to clarify exactly what you mean. As for Heb 4, you brought it up so I was asking you to demonstrate how that chapter says the seventh day Sabbath is a type of the Holy Ghost.

BTW, I know it's slightly off topic, but I disagree that circumcision is a type of baptism. I would say it is rather a type of regeneration, and includes repentance, faith, baptism, and the Holy Ghost.

Amen.

Originalist · #34 10-22-2018, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

1 It was a type so it's still in observance you cited the passage so no need to go there. And I would totally agree about what you said in the Apothecary also being a type of the Holy Ghost.

2. Yes circumcision was only for males in the OT. But that was a type of NT baptism that is a covenant for all male and women which is also a antitype of mikeveh. Yes the covenant is still in observance today in baptism, but only fulfilled. Circumcision was only a type of baptism.

I know you didn't say they were a type of anything but the thing you listed was a type. Which we see was fulfilled in Hebrews 4 (I don't have time to do all this right now, but you said exactly where it was so you know.)

The WHOLE law is fulfilled in Christ, even if you cannot find a type and shadow fulfillment for every tiny detail.

Esaias · #35 10-22-2018, 12:50 PM

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The WHOLE law is fulfilled in Christ, even if you cannot find a type and shadow fulfillment for every tiny detail.

I think we get in the habit of saying this, but often fail to specify what exactly that means and how it affects our obligations toward God.

Originalist · #36 10-22-2018, 12:59 PM

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Well misrepresentations through out I never said any of those things you alluded to. But I ain't trippin you need to pray through, but that's going to be hard at a Baptist church... Your the guy God ordained to have a trinitarian Pastor, Hmmm.

So you preach to me about my approach and then act like Baptists have the plague. Let me tell you something. I witnessed a powerful move of God yesterday as a sinner came to the altar weeping and calling on God. The song leader did not know what to do and kept leading us "Just as I Am". Finally, she broke and wept herself and said, "Church, we just need to pray right now. The Spirit is moving".

But you see Apostolic Pharisees like you would never grasp why it is important for an Apostolic like me to be there in such a setting, to be a kind of mid-wife (though I am male) to help deliver the Apostolic revival God is trying to birth in that church. You are too good to soil yourself by eating with dogs.

I guess all that's just semantics we have a lot in common... I will say your understanding does have more in common with them, then with real Apostolic's though.

Again, just another one of MANY stupid statements. Completely baseless. Your just mad because your idolatry is being exposed. The apostles did not teach your tithing nonsense. So that meas YOU are not teaching Apostolic doctrine.

Oh and this has nothing to do with tithes as none of the rest of what I said did either. I was only pointing out holes, in your argument.

You have not pointed out even ONE hole I my argument.

I give tithes and offerings and I've never out given God. You can drop shade like that was what this was all about but it wasn't. It was you couldn't give an answer to nothing I was saying. Look at the original language of Cain's offering no it wasn't a offering look again...

By definition, what they both were doing was OFFERING something. DUH !!!!

aegsm76 · #37 10-22-2018, 01:03 PM

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So whether or not he has a biblical mandate to teach 10% is not relevant ?

From my study, I believe there is a biblical principle involved in tithing.
So, I believe it depends on how you teach giving.
I will say, that those USUALLY opposed to tithing sometimes also have issues with other Apostolic teachings (such as separation, holiness and headship).
Now, I know some who do not teach tithing is mandatory, but are pastors of churches who give more than those who teach it.
The interesting thing about tithing is that I know some unbelievers who pay tithes that appear to be blessed for paying their tithe.

1ofthechosen · #38 10-22-2018, 01:07 PM

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That's why I don't mess with you, you got a bad spirit and need to pray through.im only talking-to you personally because you have stayed personal the whole time.

I'm not mad about anything from the scripture or even the teaching. But you just talking to me crazy does upset me. Let me just tell you I haven't always been saved there was a time in my life I would've split your head wide open for even having a condescending tone. I hope you don't do thatt to the wrong person. I'm not threatening you but it's the truth anyhow.

Originalist · #39 10-22-2018, 01:23 PM

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That's why I don't mess with you, you got a bad spirit and need to pray through.im only talking-to you personally because you have stayed personal the whole time.

I'm not mad about anything from the scripture or even the teaching. But you just talking to me crazy does upset me. Let me just tell you I haven't always been saved there was a time in my life I would've split your head wide open for even having a condescending tone.

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. Wow. I've never threatened you with violence. What you just said was a shot across the bow. Violence is obviously still in your heart. You would not have lasted long going toe to toe with the Apostles when they openly rebuked you.

I hope you don't do thatt to the wrong person. I'm not threatening you but it's the truth anyhow

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1ofthechosen · #40 10-22-2018, 01:48 PM

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I have no problem with rebuke but personal slander is something different. Your not even talking to me about anything biblical yet attacking me personal.

All I'm saying is if you are trying to minister and help people you better get that right. Cuz oneday you may do that to the wrong individual. This is not the first, second, or third time you have done it to me.

So once again from here on out don't talk to me. Some people are just better off at a distance. Have a good day.