Pastor Gino Jennings, Make It Plain.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

And yet there is not one command against it.

I already went through the Torah information concerning not allowing your daughters to be prostitutes. How prostitution was not only what they did but how they looked. Yet, eyeliner, lip paint, and finger and toenail polish on men was also part of temple prostitution. I don't know where you live or what you do, but around these parts young men have green, pink dyed hair, painted finger nails, and toe nails. The young men wear eyeliner, and lipstick. So, you have no book? Then I wish you well in your church experience sitting on a pew and listening to a pastor with black fingernails, and black eyeliner.

[RachelRose]

Boy this name is familiar. I think I listened to him on the radio many years ago in LA.

[RachelRose]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Gino does not have a beard in this video posted from the FOX interview.

[RachelRose]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Ah... That ol' familiar opening...

"Greetings Brothers, and Sisters, Friends and Enemies."

Gotta love it!

It was through listening to Jennings and studying the Scripture that I came to the understanding that I Corinthians 11 is about head coverings.

Aquila you make a great point in that post for two reasons:

1) I love to listen to many sides of an issue
2) head cover VS hair cover is debatable

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Ancient people of the near and Middle East were pagans.

Song of Solomon 3:6
6 Who is this that cometh out of the wilderness like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh and frankincense, with all powders of the merchant?

It is unclear exactly what the powders of the merchant entailed. Seeing that it states "all the powders of the merchant", the one thing we do know is that these merchants were apothecaries. The apothecary was skilled in the creation of perfumes, incense, oils, balms, cosmetics, and even the use of spiced teas and herbal remedies. It would therefore imply that Solomon came bringing all these things as gifts to his bride.

It should also be noted that the name of Job’s daughter, as “Horn of Antimony,” or “Keren-happuch” (horn of black eye-paint) in Job 42:14 does not carry a negative or sinful connotation, since in 42:15 this daughter as well as the others is counted as best in the land. It might be that she was named after an ornate cosmetic container (a horn) or that her mother (Job's wife) wore such beautiful eye-paint.

Green color was derived from malachite or turquoise, and used to paint the lower eyelids; while black came from manganese (puk) or antimony (kuhl), and was applied to the eyebrows and lashes. Red ocher was used to add lip color. Large numbers of small pottery juglets, usually fired in a reducing atmosphere to produce a lustrous and burnished black finish, also come from the excavations of this period. A cosmetic kit from the Biblical period might contain a polished metal mirror, palette, ivory and metal spatulas, kohl sticks, unguent spoons, tweezers and a variety of containers.

In addition to the minerals named above, galena and stibnite also were ground in the palettes. These powders (possible reference, Song of Solomon 3:6) were then mixed with water or gum before application. The powder was likely stored and carried in pouches. The Bible frequently associates eye paint with questionable women, who made excessive use of it (cf. 2 Kings 9:30; Jer 4:30; Ezek 23:40). In addition to beautification, the eye paint probably had some hygienic effect, in discouraging disease-carrying flies.

The negative texts mentioning cosmetics (2 Kings 9:30, Jer. 4:30, Eze. 23:40) do not condemn cosmetics specifically. However, they do reveal the seductive nature of those women who use cosmetics to enhance their beauty so that they might entice men into sin.

As it relates to Christian women, Paul wrote:

1 Timothy 2:9
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

Shamefacedness is the manner of one's face, or facial expressions, being kept in a state of modesty and humility. It is the opposite of being shameless, arrogant, and beaming with pride. This could very well indicate that cosmetics are to be discouraged, however in Near Eastern ancient culture a properly mannered woman rarely looked a man directly in the eyes. Instead, after immediate eye contact, she would turn her gaze away below his line of sight, expressing submission and respect. This practice is still common in the Middle East today, especially among Muslim women. In these Eastern cultures, to look a man in the eye while talking to him is considered ill mannered, seductive, or disrespectful depending upon circumstance.

So, while the Bible is neutral on makeup, it is not neutral on one's attitude and character. We do well not to make up a law where one doesn't exist. So it is hard to argue that makeup is a "sin" in and of itself. However, we can encourage modesty and natural beauty in principle as it relates to being separate from the world.

[RachelRose]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Song of Solomon 3:6
6 Who is this that cometh out of the wilderness like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh and frankincense, with all powders of the merchant?

It is unclear exactly what the powders of the merchant entailed. Seeing that it states "all the powders of the merchant", the one thing we do know is that these merchants were apothecaries. The apothecary was skilled in the creation of perfumes, incense, oils, balms, cosmetics, and even the use of spiced teas and herbal remedies. It would therefore imply that Solomon came bringing all these things as gifts to his bride.

It should also be noted that the name of Job’s daughter, as “Horn of Antimony,” or “Keren-happuch” (horn of black eye-paint) in Job 42:14 does not carry a negative or sinful connotation, since in 42:15 this daughter as well as the others is counted as best in the land. It might be that she was named after an ornate cosmetic container (a horn) or that her mother (Job's wife) wore such beautiful eye-paint.

Green color was derived from malachite or turquoise, and used to paint the lower eyelids; while black came from manganese (puk) or antimony (kuhl), and was applied to the eyebrows and lashes. Red ocher was used to add lip color. Large numbers of small pottery juglets, usually fired in a reducing atmosphere to produce a lustrous and burnished black finish, also come from the excavations of this period. A cosmetic kit from the Biblical period might contain a polished metal mirror, palette, ivory and metal spatulas, kohl sticks, unguent spoons, tweezers and a variety of containers.

In addition to the minerals named above, galena and stibnite also were ground in the palettes. These powders (possible reference, Song of Solomon 3:6) were then mixed with water or gum before application. The powder was likely stored and carried in pouches. The Bible frequently associates eye paint with questionable women, who made excessive use of it (cf. 2 Kings 9:30; Jer 4:30; Ezek 23:40). In addition to beautification, the eye paint probably had some hygienic effect, in discouraging disease-carrying flies.

The negative texts mentioning cosmetics (2 Kings 9:30, Jer. 4:30, Eze. 23:40) do not condemn cosmetics specifically. However, they do reveal the seductive nature of those women who use cosmetics to enhance their beauty so that they might entice men into sin.

As it relates to Christian women, Paul wrote:

1 Timothy 2:9
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

Shamefacedness is the manner of one's face, or facial expressions, being kept in a state of modesty and humility. It is the opposite of being shameless, arrogant, and beaming with pride. This could very well indicate that cosmetics are to be discouraged, however in Near Eastern ancient culture a properly mannered woman rarely looked a man directly in the eyes. Instead, after immediate eye contact, she would turn her gaze away below his line of sight, expressing submission and respect. This practice is still common in the Middle East today, especially among Muslim women. In these Eastern cultures, to look a man in the eye while talking to him is considered ill mannered, seductive, or disrespectful depending upon circumstance.

So, while the Bible is neutral on makeup, it is not neutral on one's attitude and character. We do well not to make up a law where one doesn't exist. So it is hard to argue that makeup is a "sin" in and of itself. However, we can encourage modesty and natural beauty in principle as it relates to being separate from the world.

Aquila this is why I enjoy reading your posts. You do not just give short, two word responses. You dig deep into history. By doing this you challenge the Pentecostal Traditions we have here in2018.

I dare say if we make it to see Jesus face to face he will be displease with all our efforts to keep what we thought was important and did not do his simple instructions.

You have no idea how much "heat" I take from other (older) members of the faith.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I already went through the Torah information concerning not allowing your daughters to be prostitutes. How prostitution was not only what they did but how they looked. Yet, eyeliner, lip paint, and finger and toenail polish on men was also part of temple prostitution. I don't know where you live or what you do, but around these parts young men have green, pink dyed hair, painted finger nails, and toe nails. The young men wear eyeliner, and lipstick. So, you have no book? Then I wish you well in your church experience sitting on a pew and listening to a pastor with black fingernails, and black eyeliner.

Is there any scripture that show only prostitutes wore makeup and nor the OT saints? "Attire of a harlot" what was the attire?


For the record, i believe makeup is not becoming of a woman desiring holiness, I just wish scripture was more clear on the subject.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by RachelRose

Aquila this is why I enjoy reading your posts. You do not just give short, two word responses. You dig deep into history. By doing this you challenge the Pentecostal Traditions we have here in2018.

I dare say if we make it to see Jesus face to face he will be displease with all our efforts to keep what we thought was important and did not do his simple instructions.

You have no idea how much "heat" I take from other (older) members of the faith.

Thank you for the encouragement.

What concerns me personally is that if my faith is built on a number of laws designed by man (no short sleeves, no shorts, no rings, no television, no internet, no beards, etc., etc., etc.),... I end up living, practicing, and even sharing a man made religion. Both hedonism and man made religion appeal to the flesh. They just appeal to those on the opposite ends of the spectrum. But both the hedonist and the religionist are as carnal as carnal can be. Consider this, every false religion has special days, dress codes, dietary codes, rituals, innumerable legalistic requirements, etc., etc., that are required of their followers. The way of the Spirit transcends these carnal frameworks and leads one into aspiring Christlikeness, living by the Spirit, seeking to live by the divine love that abides towards both God and man. If I love my neighbor, will I entice them to sin? Will I dress in a manner that provokes lust? Will I lie to them, harm them, defraud them, steal from them, or degrade them in any way? No. If I love God will I blaspheme, bow to idols, use His name in vain, or knowingly engage in heathen practices? No, of course not. And so the single law of love becomes the mark.

Now, that isn't to say that discretion shouldn't be practiced with regards to issues that the Bible is silent or neutral about. This is where spiritual maturity is most essential.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Is there any scripture that show only prostitutes wore makeup and nor the OT saints? "Attire of a harlot" what was the attire?


For the record, i believe makeup is not becoming of a woman desiring holiness, I just wish scripture was more clear on the subject.

What is the attire? The scriptures always harps on the painting of the eyes for one, Isaiah 3:16,Jeremiah 4:30,2 Kings 9:30. Then goes onto say expensive clothing and ornaments. Mystery Babylon Mother of Harlots is arrayed with purple (expensive) and ornamentation Revelation 17:4. I don't wish, I know, wishing is for kids. You are looking for a shopping list of Thou Shalt Nots? Men who crossdress, start off with the most hideous display of make up, because in their warped demonic perversion, their maggot filled brains compel them to degrade themselves with face paint. Then they put on the wig? Usually way before they dress up in their wife's clothes. In the book of Enoch (not advocating it as scripture) it speaks that weapons of war, jewelry, and make up was shown to mankind by fallen angels.

Enoch 8:1-4 "And Azazel taught mankind to make swords and knives and shields and coats of mail, and taught them to see what was behind them, and their works of art: bracelets and ornaments, and the use of rouge, and the beautifying of the eye-brows, and the dearest and choicest stones and all coloring substances and the metals of the earth. And there was great wickedness and much fornication, and they sinned, and all their ways were corrupt. Amezarak taught all the conjurers and root-cutters, Armars the loosening of conjurations, Baraq�al the astrologers, Kïkabel the signs, and Temel taught astrology, and Asradel taught the course of the moon. And in the destruction of mankind, they cried aloud, and their voices reached heaven."

"Talmud in Tractate Yoma 9b (also in Shabbat 62b) Why was the first Sanctuary destroyed? Because of three [evil] things which prevailed there: idolatry, immorality, bloodshed… Immorality [prevailed] as it is written: “Moreover the Lord said: Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched-forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and make a tinkling with their feet” Isaiah 3:16. ‘Because the daughters of Zion are haughty’, i.e., they used to walk with proud carriage. ‘And wanton eyes’ i.e., they filled their eyes with kohl (a powder used for painting the eyelids). ‘Walking and mincing as they go’, i.e., they used to walk with the heel touching the toe. ‘And make a tinkling with their feet’, R. Isaac said: They would take myrrh and balsam and place it in their shoes and they would walk around the streets of Jerusalem and when they came near the young men of Israel they would kick, causing the balsam to squirt at them and would thus cause the evil desire to enter them like an adder's poison. (Rashi in Tractate Shabbat notes that they were married women and therefore the Talmud talks about their defamation)."

Most cultures understood that make up wasn't for the godly, because the lionshare of the scripture rebuked the wearing of it. So, no wishing upon a star, no hoping for hope. The Bible is plain, but sadly people see what they want to see. My lands homosexuals see God advocating homosexuality in the Bible? Crossdressers see Deuteronomy 22:5 as only pertaining to pagan religious worship. Hey, the scriptures are plain, you just need to have people who have no agendas to read and obey.

[RachelRose]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I love this interview. I cannot vouch for Gino's church but I love his attitude. He took the message of modesty to place that would be hostile to it. He handled himself with skill and long suffering.

I am being completely honest here: I want to witness with that same peace. One thing he did over and over again was to quote what the Bible said. The young lady on the other side of the table was angry that wearing just a halter and "tights" somehow was asking for a rape. Her want to look "cool" completely over ruled common sense.

The Bible has MANY practical messages for us and one of them is that: all people need to be modest and covered up.