Seconds of Pre Embryonic Life of Jesus Christ?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

John also writes:

I John: (separate)

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.


II John: (separate)

2 JohnKing James Version (KJV)

1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;

2 For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever.

3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Jude: (separate)

Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Every single book carefully separates Jesus from God. All of them.

So let them "teach" with sprinkled out of context verses and insults. There is a huge and unexplained hole in this doctrine.

I am getting the impression that discussion is not the goal here, for some reason. In spite of various distractions, the pursuit of truth requires a rigorous honesty that in this day and age does not appear to be legal tender for much of anything. Sad, really.

I spent about two hours last night (in real life, face to face) discussing with someone the question "Is God good because He does good, or is good defined as whatever God does?" This tied into the subsidiary question of whether or not Jesus had a physical impossibility of sinning or a moral impossibility, and the consequences of both premises.

It was far more rewarding and refreshing than 99% of the discussions I have seen or been involved with in almost 20 years of debating online.

So I'm taking that as a cue from God that it's time to step back from virtual reality and stay in the realm of flesh and blood. The VR crowd have their reward, and I just don't find it appealing anymore.

Hope you all have a blessed year in 2018. Don't forget, it's not that your votes don't count but that someone else is "counting" your votes.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

There is nothing for me to avoid. John saw the messenger and heard the messenger pass the message. From God. There is no "try". That is what it says.
The verse refers to the God of Jesus. I am not at all confused. If Jesus was the messenger in Revelation and if Jesus taught in John that "my father is greater than I" and Revelation refers to God as God of Jesus then it seems I am seeing a consistant picture across the new testament of who Jesus is. You have unfortunately been unsucessful in demonstrating that Jesus is who you teach he is and the more you speak in direct contrast to what the words in front of you say the more confused about it you sound.

Keep telling yourself that. It's so simple though. John hears the alpha and omega call himself so, and speaks of sending letters. The he turns toward the source of the voice and finds its the son of man.

It's an explanation of who Jesus is. And then Jesus pixies and dictated the letters. The distinction is there between flesh and deity. But as Thomas called Jesus his Lord and God , and John said the word is God, and the word was made flesh, he is God and man.

So simple.

He is the mighty God according to Isaiah.

He is God with us. Immanuel.

He is the one Isaiah saw sitting in the throne with seraphim over his throne in Isaiah 6. Read John 12.

[Sean]

Right, God with us because of the Holy Ghost infilling he had without measure on earth and the Col 2:9 effect on Jesus after his resurrection.


Read , 2 Cor 5:19 and understand.

[Sean]

Not an embryonic God.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Keep telling yourself that. It's so simple though. John hears the alpha and omega call himself so, and speaks of sending letters. The he turns toward the source of the voice and finds its the son of man.

It's an explanation of who Jesus is. And then Jesus pixies and dictated the letters. The distinction is there between flesh and deity. But as Thomas called Jesus his Lord and God , and John said the word is God, and the word was made flesh, he is God and man.

So simple.

He is the mighty God according to Isaiah.

He is God with us. Immanuel.

He is the one Isaiah saw sitting in the throne with seraphim over his throne in Isaiah 6. Read John 12.

*Jesus speaks and dictated....

[Sean]

Mike, where in John 12 does it say Jesus and his Father are the same person?

[mfblume]

You're not reading. I said Isaiah saw Jesus sitting in the throne in Isaiah 6 according to John 12.

[Sean]

Please elaborate on Isaiah 6

[Sean]

Was it a theophany of God or Jesus the man, pre born of Mary?

Or....was it Jesus in the mind/will of God being revealed?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You're not reading. I said Isaiah saw Jesus sitting in the throne in Isaiah 6 according to John 12.

John 12 says that Jesus said "my soul is troubled, should I ask the father to save me from this hour". It also, again, later specifically says that Jesus brings the message that God gives him but discard that for now.

What is the soul of Jesus to which he referred in John 12?