Seconds of Pre Embryonic Life of Jesus Christ?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Sean

Thank you for the compliment(haven't been called that since my apprenticeship days in the trades). I am 56 and feeling it....LOL

LOLLLLLLLL......really sorry about that

[Sean]

The word means unified(Holy Spirit unification).

God and Jesus were/are not the same being, and neither are all of us.

Jesus was praying to an individual entity and not himself, or the "flesha God" not praying to the "Spirita God".

[good samaritan]

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The logos(word) was with God and it was God. I can see a similar connection with the logos and pneuma(spirit). Pneuma according to Strong's is a current of air ie breath. Something like a word spoken. In other Words the theos(deity) and the logos(word) are the same as well as the pneuma(Spirit).

John 4:24 God is a Spirit:

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The logos(word) and the theos(God) are the same, and by implication the logos becoming flesh would also mean the theos became flesh. Man didn't become God, but just as the scripture teaches God became man. The idea that man became God, seems to suggest that eventually and coincidentally there came a man who was good enough to become God. No man could become good enough, but it was God who had to come us.

[good samaritan]

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Jesus is the bread of heaven that all must partake of. God

[good samaritan]

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

The word godliness is not the same as the greek word theos. In other words this was given as a recipe for godliness and not deity. Who was God manifest flesh? Who was justified in the Spirit? Who seen of Angels? etc.... The answer is Jesus!!! While this verse eludes to Jesus being God manifest in flesh, which was pre resurrection btw. IMO, the verse is actually telling us how godliness is attained. Jesus!!!

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

I think men dissect this subject a little too far. This is the bottom line of our salvation. If we are to know how God became flesh with a scientific explanation we will have to wait on the answer for that. Right now that evidentally is not need to know information. We must simply believe that he is. How did and omnipresent God fit in a unipresent body? We need to wait on God to give us the understanding to that, but we must be carefull not refute scripture because it doesn't meet our human logic and reason. God did become flesh.

[Sean]

GS, God was revealed as flesh or God was revealed inside Jesus' flesh?

[Sean]

Is it a mystery that the man, Christ Jesus was seen of angels or that God was seen of angels through Jesus?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

The logos(word) was with God and it was God. I can see a similar connection with the logos and pneuma(spirit). Pneuma according to Strong's is a current of air ie breath. Something like a word spoken. In other Words the theos(deity) and the logos(word) are the same as well as the pneuma(Spirit).





The logos(word) and the theos(God) are the same, and by implication the logos becoming flesh would also mean the theos became flesh. Man didn't become God, but just as the scripture teaches God became man. The idea that man became God, seems to suggest that eventually and coincidentally there came a man who was good enough to become God. No man could become good enough, but it was God who had to come us.

God's spoken word was with God, not God was with God.

Dont trip on Strong's, because he would tell you God(2nd person of God) was with God.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

Is it a mystery that the man, Christ Jesus was seen of angels or that God was seen of angels through Jesus?

2 Corinthians 5:19King James Version (KJV)

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.



God through Jesus.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

The logos(word) was with God and it was God. I can see a similar connection with the logos and pneuma(spirit). Pneuma according to Strong's is a current of air ie breath. Something like a word spoken. In other Words the theos(deity) and the logos(word) are the same as well as the pneuma(Spirit).


The logos(word) and the theos(God) are the same, and by implication the logos becoming flesh would also mean the theos became flesh. Man didn't become God, but just as the scripture teaches God became man. The idea that man became God, seems to suggest that eventually and coincidentally there came a man who was good enough to become God. No man could become good enough, but it was God who had to come us.

1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

John 1

The word was with God, the word was God, the word became flesh.

Became flesh and manifest in the flesh seem to be conflicting statements.
In light of the many, many instances noted earlier and not re-hashed here where Jesus defers to God and Jesus is given power by God in so man of the passages in and after the gospels "manifest in the flesh" seems to be more accurate.

So manifest in the flesh would (seem to) equate to manifest in the burning bush?

The bush was not and did not become God, God manifest Himself in the bush? Something like that?