Seconds of Pre Embryonic Life of Jesus Christ?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I'm not beating up Mike LOL. Just adding a few ommitted details to his exampled verses.

Your views are interesting and your points are tough. Some of those passages have been a thorn here for years and I read everything written ever attributed to Jesus or translated about Jesus working it out. Stuff long thought burned back when the biblical books were assembled. Banned gospels, all of it. The interpretations offered in answer seem contradictory to me. Been the source of some bitter words here. Not my intention today.

I didn't chime in to debate for sure. It's just an interesting thread.

Great. A little history on myself.

I have taught the "incarnation" for many years and muffled those unanswerable scriptures myself all that time.

Reading the Bible in this presupposition mode caused me to think it was "trin biased translation", as I sought to eliminate words and make the 2 entities into 1.

I took some time off from ministry to check everything out and noticed that all of Christianity(both trin and oneness), was related and joined by the hip by "hypostatic union(dual nature)".

Once I saw the trins' position, I realized the Catholic Church was the mother of all the incarnationists.

Now, I read the Bible as it states and all the pieces of the puzzle fit.


My proposition is "God did not become a man, but a man became God", which is clearly seen in scripture.

The first Adam was made a living soul, but the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

[Sean]

The "incarnation" theory from 5th century Catholicism is a contradiction to Col. 2:9.

It says every bit of God is in the body of Jesus.(Jesus is now an omnipresent spirit)

The incarnationists teach that only the "qualities" of God are inside Jesus.

They had to "gut" the fullness of God out of their non-omnipresent Jesus to make their theory work.

[Sean]

Why would Paul refer to Jesus as "the last Adam" if he were not an independent man like the first Adam?

Was it a bad analogy on the part of Paul?


Was Paul telling us that that last Adam was a "redo" of the first Adam(our original father)?

Was Paul telling us that this 'redo" had a reward for Jesus and us?

Yep, He was made a resurrecting spirit and resurrects us.(1 Cor 15)

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Which question are you referring to? The "why didn't Jesus just say He was God" question? Or the "how or why does God pray to God" one?

As for the pulpits, remember there are 73 sects and all but one are doomed.

The main question is why Jesus consistently subjects himself to God throughout the gospels and what part of Jesus is and is not God.

1 in 73 are bad odds. Watch the path!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

LOL No room to talk on that - my oldest graduated TT in Lubbuck then started work in Midland.

Might as well be in New York

Franca's is good - I like the place. We were in Bay Knoll, it was practically around the corner.

Did you ever meet Franco, back when he was running things there? Man, that was like decades ago, literally. I used to go there as a kid and sit at the counter and watch his brother flip the dough, real live "flying pizza".

Did you grow up in Clear Lake? We might even know some of the same people. Not sure if that's a good thing or not... lol

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

In my opinion. There are only two options. Either Jesus was implanted or began as a sperm cell.

Back to the OP.

[Sean]

On Christmas day, The masses of believers will unify to teach the fullness of the Godhead was lying in a manger.

However, the omnipresent God does not fit in a manger, so Col 2:9 must be dismantled to the "qualities" of God in a manger.

Christianity had to do this to make their incarnated God fit in a manger.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Did you ever meet Franco, back when he was running things there? Man, that was like decades ago, literally. I used to go there as a kid and sit at the counter and watch his brother flip the dough, real live "flying pizza".

Did you grow up in Clear Lake? We might even know some of the same people. Not sure if that's a good thing or not... lol

LOL my people? East Texas - Klansmen. Prolly not good if we know a lot of the same people Tex. Long time ago - those days.

We just lived in that area - Webster/Clear Lake for 7-8(ish) years.

We usually hit Abe's if possible in the spring for the crawfish. They're pretty good. Nearest other place to get good ones (that I know of anyway) is over by the boardwalk in Kemah.

I hijacked the kid's thread here. Take care - thanks for asking about us. I think we'll be alright.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

LOL my people? East Texas - Klansmen. Prolly not good if we know a lot of the same people Tex. Long time ago - those days.

We just lived in that area - Webster/Clear Lake for 7-8(ish) years.

We usually hit Abe's if possible in the spring for the crawfish. They're pretty good. Nearest other place to get good ones (that I know of anyway) is over by the boardwalk in Kemah.

I hijacked the kid's thread here. Take care - thanks for asking about us. I think we'll be alright.

Look me up when you get back in the Republic. Crawfish? ewwww.... isn't that haram? It sure ain't kosher...

[Sean]

The main difference between me and the incarnationists is 33 years.

They teach a God embryo(eventual man) and I teach the last Adam being made God by the Col 2:9 effect on his resurrected spirit.